I originally bought the Glock 19X because I was in love with the color and was the one Glock I thought I would love. However, after taking it to the range today equipped with an Overwatch Precision Flat Trigger, Safety plunger, and their connector, trigger pull was 4.5lbs and believed I was going to kick butt on the range.

Well at 35ft, I was dismayed even with careful aim, accuracy was good but not great. My MP 2.0 Compact as boring as that gun is, it is way more shootable, shoots flatter, way more accurate, can dot out the center of the bulls eye, etc..

But the Glock 19x was just good enough to quality, but unlike my MP 2.0 could not draw a smiley face on the target. I am sure there are some here that can shoot the G19 just fine but for me, even after swapping out all the different backstraps could not find one that made me shoot better.

Your thoughts? Can anyone explain what is it about a glock that makes it accurate enough to be combat accurate but not match grade? My MP 2.0 is not match grade but shoots ten times better

My 19x shoots better than any other striker pistol that I own. However, I don't have a MP to compare it to.

I didn't buy it to be match grade. For that I shoot my Gold Cup.

I own both a Glock 45 and a M&P 9mm compact. They are both great shooters. I put an Apex kit in the M&P. I have not done a side by side to see which is better but I suspect that your Glock would shoot just fine once you get accustomed to it.

I don't know how that is possible. The 19x just has some deficiencies that others do not. Of all the different makes I own the G19 is one of the worse.

However, after I came back from the range I weighed my trigger again and it was 5.5lbs. ***? That can easily account for meh accuracy. Even with the flat trigger it is still a bit mushy.

The only two semi auto's I own are an M&P 9c 1.0 and a Glock 35. My experience was the same as yours because I bought the m&p first and fired thousands of rounds through it before buying the Glock.

But accuracy shooting the 35 is really starting to come around. Each range session my groups get a little tighter. I'm determined shoot it as well as the my m&p. Practice Practice Practice

I’ve got no problems with Glocks other than I just don’t shoot them as well as other platforms or firearms. I shoot a DW ECO at least 2-3 times better than I do a Glock 34. Half the barrel length, half the sight distance and yet I shoot circles around the 34. That’s why the majority of my pistols are 1911’s and revolvers, I enjoy them but more importantly I shoot them the best!


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had my 19x for over almost 2 years, bone stock besides the night sights, shoots flat and is very accurate in comparison to all my other nines.

No issues with accuracy whatsoever. It shoots very well, better than I ever will

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perhaps before adding the after market parts, you should try shooting the Glock 19X awhile with just OME parts for a true comparison.

What makes you think that standing up shooting at 35ft is an accuracy test of the gun instead of yourself?

We have a stock Gen4 G19 that my wife has claimed as her own. I take it out to the range a few times every year, and while I'm not a fan of it's trigger, I can shoot it as accurately as my Sigs. It takes a magazine to get used to the trigger. After that...no issues. I'm not spending money on after market parts for the G19, but I wouldn't hesitate to use it as a defensive weapon.

To me that sure looks pretty close to match grade.

I have a gen. 1 model 19, and a gen. 3 model 26, gen. 3 model 21. All are 2 - 2.5 inch guns from a rest at 25 meters. More than combat accurate, IMHO.

Recently picked up a Gen. 4 model 41 MOS (.45 acp long slide). With a red dot mounted, around 1.5 inches at 25 meters.

Your gun might shoot 10 times worse than a M&P 2.0, but I bet more trigger time, trying different ammo, and testing from a solid rest might narrow the accuracy gap....

Larry

Good advice. Every gun and the sorriest of ammo is accurate up close (fifteen yards or less) and every shooter is a pro at such ranges. Twenty five yards or 25 meters will give a realistic perspective on everything.

50m will show even more , but we're not talking target pistols either . For social work pick the one that allows you to make rapid repeatable hits from 7 - 25yds from a CC draw . With training your speed & accuracy will improve . One must have confidence in their weapon / load .

My G5 26 can put all 50 in a 2' hole at 10 yards. That's impressive for me.

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How can one 9mm shoot flatter than another, assuming same ammo?

From the seemingly weekly threads expressing no love for Glocks here it is obvious there are a number of people who don't shoot them well.

I would be willing to bet there are others, and likely just as many, who don't shoot 1911's well. I see people at the range all the time with their S&W J frame that can't hit a barn door at 15 yards.

For me, I don't like Beretta 92's worth a flip and don't shoot them well, although I probably could learn to do so if I put the appropriate training effort into it. Again, for me, once I got over how ugly Glocks are (generally based on what other people were telling me) I found they are one of the easiest platforms to learn to shoot well.

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Errrrrr. . .

Why no headshots?

Just poking fun. Great target.

Curly

Longer barrel, higher velocity

This thread brought back a memory from probably ten years ago. I had
bought a Glock Model 22 .40 caliber. I was going to go to the range one
day and my grandson, who is a cop, showed up. He volunteered to go
with me. We pulled the target out to 25 yards, and I handed him the
Glock to go first. He shot a half dozen shots, reeled the target in, looked
at it and said there's something wrong with your sights. I sent the target
back out and shot once, as luck would have it, dead center in the bull's
eye. I got to sound like Clint Eastwood when I said "ain't nothing wrong
with these sights".

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Nice shooting Klyde. That 12 x 18 is the smallest shillouette target I have seen.
I prefer steel pistols, but realize that is not performance driven.

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Maybe you should try adding 10 or 12 MORE aftermarket things, and then see how it is.

My Glock 43X is for self defense. Can I print 2” holes at 15 yards? Nope…Do I care, Nope.

What it can do is ring an 8” steel target at that range and further with boring regularity and quick follow up shots. If I do battle with someone with a smaller center mass, guess I’m in trouble. All kidding aside, two things in a self defense scenario matter to me.

1) Can I hit center mass in a hurry if I have to from 15 yards give or take a couple?

2) If the bad guy is further away than that, my plan is trying to get away and avoid the gunfight altogether. The FBI says the average confrontation is about 7 yards, I double my practice range for added safety.

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I don't know which pistols you own but I can tell you for a fact the CZ P10C shoots a lot flatter, the Smith and Wesson MP 2.0 shoots a lot flatter than a Glock, and the Walther PPQ may have the highest bore axes but it shoots much faster than any Glock period.

Glock accuracy is just OK nothing to write home about. The Sig X5 Legion with grayguns trigger will do circles around a Glock and propbably many others in its class

Glock pistols are dependable and they work and are combat accurate

nah i think I will pass. The Glock trigger has a rolling break and it will never be as crisp as a MP 2.0 or P226 SAO legion. I know it's not a fair comparison but a Glock is like the Chevy of guns. The only Glock I shoot well with is my Glock 30 with the same overwatch precision trigger. Maybe I need to try and use the large backstrap to simulate the G30 frame. I am currently using no backstrap and that could be the problem.

I think the reason I shoot the MP 2.0 better is lower bore axis and a super crisp trigger.

My 19x is quite accurate. Getting used to holding the 2x4 grip was a little challenging but I’ve been spoiled by my HKs.

These are not precision target pistols. They are defensive/combat pistols and as such, are not likely to provide 1 inch groups at 25 yards. Also, shooting by hand, from an unsupported position, does not wring out the accuracy potential of the firearm. To fully understand the accuracy potential you need to shoot from a seated and well braced position or use a Ransom Rest to test the pistol.

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A Gold Cup in 9mm, set up to run your choice of ammo, is the best solution for accuracy.
As far as lotsa ammo in your hand when needed... buy and carry two.
I rarely carry a 9mm unless I'm fishing....the M59 covers that.

Years ago I was impressed by the accuracy of my boy's new G36.
We loaded some XTPs and at 25yds it was fine for it's intended purpose.

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35 ft. isn't an appropriate distance to test for accuracy in a full size handgun. When testing for accuracy anything under 25 yards tells me nothing unless it is a subcompact.

Barrel tolerances . . .

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Regarding shooting flatter, I think the OP is talking about the pistol's recoil impulse, not the bullet's trajectory.

As for the original issue, I'll just quote this bit of still unanswered wisdom here.

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My experience with Glocks is that the trigger has a unique feel/break to it, and you really need good fundamentals and practice to shoot well with them. I carry a 19, and a have several other Glocks, and they shoot very accurately if I do my part.

I’ll never forget my first experience shooting a Glock. I was doing okay with it, but was certainly not nailing tight groups. I swore the gun just wasn’t grouping well. I had always shot my revolvers and 1911s very well... So, I had a guy at the range shoot it to test it out. He was a real Glock guy, and good shooter. Yup, sure enough, he drills 15 rounds into a ragged hole, bullseye, at 15 yards.

So, I worked on my grip, really focused on isolating my trigger finger, and learned that Glock trigger. I shoot them well now.

IMO, other guns, like 1911s can be easier to shoot accurately, despite not having the best shooting skills. But, I find Glocks to be excellent carry guns because they 100% reliable, accurate, and very good size/round capacity combo.

So, are Glocks accurate, yes. Are other guns easier for me to shoot, yes. They don’t call them shooting skills for nothing! . YMMV

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The Glock trigger is radically different from many other firearm platforms and needs some getting used to. My son gave me a LWD ported barrel for Christmas a few years ago so that LRN reloads would be more accurate but my Glock 19/4 shoots as well with FMJ.

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