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SIG SAUER | U.S. Army Selects SIG SAUER Next Generation Squad Weapons System
SIG SAUER | U.S. Army Selects SIG SAUER Next Generation Squad Weapons System
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Good choice!
Champagne is flowing at Sig, but I personally think the bigger story is that 6.8 Fury (Creedmoor) has a solid foothold now. And I also think the SCAR 17 is on the way out with the US Military.
Sig may have production issues making all the ammunition, but they can License it to other makers.
Sig may have production issues making all the ammunition, but they can License it to other makers.
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Looking fwd to hearing exact details regarding the cartridge, a newly developed 6.8 x 51, that will undoubtedly fuel sizable civilian sales in both ammo & firearms.
DWalt
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I'd think that in full production cartridges would necessarily be manufactured at Lake City.
So can we expect a government yard sale of old M-4’s, 5.56 ammo, and M-9 Berettas ?
I saw this earlier today, too. I had to laugh because I was picturing "sale" signs at gun shows for AR parts while the new, civilian (semi-auto) versions of the "SIG-LMG (XM250)" and "SIG MCX-SPEAR Rifle (XM5)" begin to dominate the modern sporting rifle world.
I'm not interested. I have enough MSRs and ammunition to satisfy any needs that I might ever have but the youngsters, oh, yeah, they'll be in love with these new platforms.
I'm not interested. I have enough MSRs and ammunition to satisfy any needs that I might ever have but the youngsters, oh, yeah, they'll be in love with these new platforms.
LostintheOzone
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I love the 5.56 x 45. Not because I used it in combat but because the brass was free. For years I scavenged brass at the range. I gathered thousands of cases in the last 6 years. I had so much I sold it cheap. I still have a few thousand cases that I will probably never load. It's a great little cartridge for shooting varmints and punching paper and I don't even own an AR.
The good old days of plentiful military brass are over. RIP 5.56 x 45. You were a good cartridge for many hand loaders and shooters on a budget.
I agree that the military needed a new cartridge but I don't know enough about the new cartridge to comment about it other than it looks Buck Rogers.
The good old days of plentiful military brass are over. RIP 5.56 x 45. You were a good cartridge for many hand loaders and shooters on a budget.
I agree that the military needed a new cartridge but I don't know enough about the new cartridge to comment about it other than it looks Buck Rogers.
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Sig makes great firearms, I have a few, congrats to them.
LostintheOzone
US Veteran
They used to make some great pistols. I guess I'm a throwback but I have several P-239's. Looking at collecting some P-228's now. Sell those relics before they're worthless.
Interesting to say the least. Think about it, the government went to the .223/5.56 to cut down on weight of gun and ammo and now they are advocating for a cartridge of equal length and nearly same weight of the .308/7.62 NATO. They must think the new army has some real men in uniform not the wimps of yesteryear.
NO offence intended to anyone here, just the reason for going to the M-16, M-4 was because of perceived weight issues with the M-14 and it's cartridge.
NO offence intended to anyone here, just the reason for going to the M-16, M-4 was because of perceived weight issues with the M-14 and it's cartridge.
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DWalt
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And also because the M-14 was next to uncontrollable in full auto.
I have to wonder about barrel life despite the claims that it is good in the M5 and M250. Maybe some super steel alloy. I have seen many, many M16s with essentially no rifling remaining in the rear half of the bore. Looking at the area with a borescope, it's like dried cracked mud.
If the release of surplus 1911's is any indication, I wouldn't hold my breath. And since M4's are select fire, I expect they'll be crushed.
Like Donn said. I'm still waiting for the release of all those USGI M-10s and 15s.
DWalt
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I would guess many may be given to other countries before destruction takes place. I suspect that it will be up to five years until the M5 and M250 are fielded on any large quantities.
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Well, about time we went away from 5.56/.223 ,the 6.8 is and has been a great round. Read about military investigations and trials of assorted .30 cal., other less than .30 and the 6.8. Sig makes an excellent weapon system, sure they will be outstanding.
This new bi-metal high pressure cartridge will be overly expensive. We should invest in the barrel maker for these things! As many barrels will be burned out by this high pressure monster.
I would imagine small part breakage is most likely be an issue over time.
$10,000 rifles with $10,000 optics. How much will that GPMG cost? $40-50,000? Plus the $10,000 optic. Never mind over $5.00 per round.
Hopefully, these things will be reserved for the tip of the spear.
General grunts and GI Jane’s will better off staying with the M4, 5.56 combo as this thing (6.8x51) recoils like 7.62 NATO.
I would imagine small part breakage is most likely be an issue over time.
$10,000 rifles with $10,000 optics. How much will that GPMG cost? $40-50,000? Plus the $10,000 optic. Never mind over $5.00 per round.
Hopefully, these things will be reserved for the tip of the spear.
General grunts and GI Jane’s will better off staying with the M4, 5.56 combo as this thing (6.8x51) recoils like 7.62 NATO.
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bigwheelzip
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Contract for 250,000 spear tips over ten years.
Why new ammo is a ‘daunting’ challenge for the Army’s new rifle - Breaking Defense
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