Why is it called a magazine?

Magazine comes from an Arabic word meaning 'storeroom,' so the usage of the word to refer to a place where bullets are held for a gun or where ammunition is kept in a battleship makes complete sense.

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Okay smart guy. Then why do some people call it a “clip”?

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My dad carried a Garand in the ETO. To his dying day he called all magazines "clips".

I knew what he meant.

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So why are those book like things with pages of pictures and words that we get every month called "magazines"? Larry

Because all of them are gun “magazines”. At least mine are.

So why are those book like things with pages of pictures and words that we get every month called "magazines"?

Because they are storerooms of words, to which you spend money (sometimes), so that you may read the words stored therein.

^^^ Deep thoughts. .
Said it before and saying it again, the cool stuff I learn hear.

One of my high school teachers, "Mr. Mac", was a WWII Marine. He too called them "clips." Didn't matter what kind of gun it was.

You could tell Mr. Mac he was wrong, but I sure wasn't going to.

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I know maybe a dozen words in Russian. The Russian word for store - magazine.


When they invented firearms that took a detachable box magazine, everybody knew what a magazine was. It was at tube that ran along underneath the barrel. This little sheet metal box - that wasn't a magazine. And it clipped into the bottom of the gun butt. So it became a clip.


Why is a stripper clip a clip? It doesn't clip into anything. Nothing clips into it. So why is it a clip?

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In a manner of speaking, the individual cartridges are "clipped" into a clip. In Mauser, SKS, Bianchi, and other single-row clips "cliip" to and grip the cartridges by the rim. GIs used to "clip" Garand double-row clips to their webbing or sling by running the fabric in-between the two rows of cartridges.

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Long ago anywhere that powder and shot were stored were called magazines, be they on land or on a ship.

Clips are a device that hold ammo so it can be insrted directly into a weapon, such as a stripper clip for a Sringfield 1903 30.06, a Mauser 1898 8 MM and most every bolt action military rifle. Anyone that has used a U.S.Garand knows it has a 8 round enbloc clip. That is why the "Old Timers" call them clips.

Clip or magazine it is just a case of symantics.

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Semantics:

When I was young, my grandfather took me to a big MODEL railroad at the old Frisco Depot in Webster Groves (outside St. Louis Missouri). As he was explaining what the model locomotive on one train was doing in a yard a club member came over and corrected the "old man's" nomenclature.

He said that on real railroads the rails were "bent" to allow access to different tracks with "turnouts" not "switches."

Grandpa smiled and the man went away.

Then we chuckled. Grandpa had started his career on the Terminal Railway as a SWITCHman, walking alongside the cars and manually throwing switches for them and the locomotives SWITCHing them in the yard.

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If I have my Terminolgy correct ... the M-1 Garand does use a clip, on the last shot it is ejected and not refilled or used again .
It made the M-1 "Ping" on the last shot supposedly giving away your position and telling the enemy " I'm outta ammo and inserting another ...thing that holds more ammo ...whatever you call it "
Gary

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Except for the ones we gave the "New" (1943) Italian Army. After the war they had Beretta modify them for a box magazine.

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IIRC, a magazine is a device cartridges are inserted into, stacked INSIDE, A clip only aligns, holds cartridges for use, thus stripper clip for 03’s ECT. is correct as is the M-1 clip. By chance one has ever been on a US Army shooting team you never forget get the command,” load a 5 round Magazine…….Ready on the Right, ready on the Left….

The Italian Army was issued a "New" Garand in 1943? Are you possibly confusing a Beretta BM-58 Beretta BM 59 - Wikipedia with something else?

Italy: Used by the army from 1945. Beretta license-built 100,000 M1s from 1950 until the adoption of the BM59 in 1959.[87] Also received 232,000 M1s from the U.S. government between 1950 and 1970.[80] The M1 Garand was known in the Italian Army as the Fucile «Garand* M1 cal. 7,62.[

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Quote from the movie Gettysburg:
Major General George E. Pickett (Stephen Lang): "Sirs, perhaps there are those among you who believe you are descended from an ape. I suppose there may even be those among you who believe that I am descended from an ape. But I challenge the man to step forward who believes that General Robert E. Lee is descended from an ape."

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When Italy surrendered in 1943 most of the peninsula was in German / Fascist hands. This included all of the industrial north. As much as a political move as a military one, the US began to supply the "New" (1943) Italian Army with equipment. This included (new to the Italian Army) Garands and .30-06 ammunition.

Rome fell the same day as D-Day began, June 5th 1944, just hours before the 101st and 82d parachuted into France. But parts of northern Italy, Bologna, Milan, Genoa, Venice, Trieste, did not fall until the Spring Offensive of April 9--May 2, 1945.

Like the Free French troops that participated in the Liberation of France, the Italian troops that took part in the Liberation of Italy used Sherman Tanks, GMC trucks, Winchester Carbines, and Garands.

Communist cells had organized sporadic opposition to the Fascists and had stockpiled arms and ammunition. After the north was recaptured / liberated there was a great fear of a Communist revolt in Italy (as well as in France and Greece). The Italian Army continued to receive US weaponry to update its equipment and replace all of its German made items.

Famously this led to the retirement and sale of their 6.5×52 Mannlicher-Carcano rifles.

On a "we treat former enemies better than our allies" note, the weapons we supplied to Great Britain through lend-lease had to be returned or destroyed after the war. So-- a sad sound*-- literal tons of classic firearms including S&W revolvers were dumped into the ocean. But France and Italy kept what they received.

The French sold some of their Garands to Israel. The Italians had Baretta convert theirs to use box magazines. The original Baretta conversion on a US produced Garand led to all-- or almost all, it is dangerous to ever say "all / every" or "no / none"-- Garands in their stocks being converted.

Baretta also produced Garands from new under license.

* The software edited out my first word choice. I guess that word, the sound of someone crying, was mistaken for an acronym. Proof that humans will never be competently replaced by AI.

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So why aren't "books" called "magazines"???

Wikipedia is a modern version of World Book. In school the Word Book Encyclopedia took up 28" of shelf space, while Americana and Britannica occupied six feet apiece.

I'm not knocking Wikipedia, it's quick and most people just want the basics.

I've corrected a few of their entries here and there, and have conversed with content editors-- who are all volunteers, by the way-- they value "mostly correct and easy to understand" over "accurate and complex" because it better suits their audience.

Something that led to my discontinuing interacting with them is their "academic" over-reliance on what they consider to be accurately sourced material, which is often contradictory. As a result many of their entries directly contradict other entries or contain information that is simply not possibly true due to the linear nature of time, or physics.

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Mr Mac was right.
It was a clip. The clip of bullets is used to charge the magazine in the firearm. Some are "stripper clips, where the cartridges are pushed from the clip into the magazine, some clips are inserted into the magazine and ejected later, like the M1 or half-moon clips in the 1917 revolver. Clips hold cartridges as an aid in loading magazines.
Many words in the English language have multiple meanings. It is a viking influenced language, they stole any words they liked, and used them how they pleased.

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Our local Guard armory had so many old magazines in their magazine that they had to page thru magazines that pictured the magazine’s magazines to keep them all organized. In the magazine, I mean.

(If they took the last loaded magazine out of the magazine, is the magazine now empty? LOL...)

It would have to be the last magazine from a magzinze filled with magazines to be an empty magazine magazine, if they merely removed the last loaded magazine from the magazine magazine while leaving behind the empty magazines-- or even replacing the loaded magazines with used magazines-- then it would still be a loaded magazine of unloaded magazines.

I can explain blue lines and red lines next...

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Reading that made my eyes cross and my head hurt and spin. Larry

I give up. In my younger years (we're talking a good 60 years ago), the little metal container that held five .22LR bullets that slipped into the bottom of the old Remington bolt action that many folks kept by the kitchen door was called a clip. Everyone called it that. Whether you were a punk kid or an old World War I or World War II veteran, it was a clip. Period.

Also, any type of handgun was a pistol. Didn't matter if it was a revolver or a semi-automatic, it was a pistol.

Nowadays, if you call a revolver a pistol, some graduate in the field of pomposity will first give you a look reserved for a child molester, and then, with an authoritative smile of Christian charity, will correct you and tell you that it's a revolver.

Like I said...I give up.

Oh...as a side note...I just finished reading an old Skeeter Skelton article where he calls the model 1911 that Dobe Grant carries "a .45 automatic." Can you imagine the uproar if he had written that today instead of fifty years ago? "It's a semi-automatic, Skeeter! A semi-automatic!!"

When I hear someone call a magazine a clip, a revolver a pistol, and a model 1911 an automatic, I think, "So What? I know what he means." Geeesh! Give the poor guy a break! Heck! If that's the worst of his mistakes, I figure he's doing a heckuva lot better than I am.

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Okay...so what's this:

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That there’s a rifle with a rotating magazine,but since it’s removable it’s also a clip ;-)

The M1 folks call it a clip as that is the correct designation for the 8 round device, an "en block clip".

This is not correct.

Small arms were considered write-offs, and their value (neglegible anyways compared to the big stuff) was calculated into the post-war repayment scheme. Uncle Sam specifically did not want them back; they became the property of the British government and were sold to international surplus dealers starting in the 1950s, many of whom reimported them to the US. Many of us own a few

Ocean dumping of Lend-Lease trucks, tanks, and airplanes is documented in case of Australia, which at war’s end was saddled with stockpiles they didn’t need, couldn’t sell under L-L rules, and didn’t have the money or interest to maintain, but which the US refused to take back. I’ve not encountered information on whether anything was disposed of like that in Britain.

I sleep more comfortably on a stack of old magazines because I have lots of back issues.

Well played.

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I cannot quote the source but I have read that "all" (and I'm always wary of universal claims) of the .38 S&W (not .38 S&W Spl) revolvers sent to England and supplied to the Home Guard Units in 1940 were collected in 1945 and dumped in the Irish Sea accounting for their scarcity.

Uncle Sam didn't want anything back. He had tons of stuff that he either destroyed in place in Germany or shipped back from CONUS bases to the Arizona desert to sell as surplus. To add to his displeasure sometimes his contractors brought suit against him for not enforcing L-L provisions.

Two lawsuits filled in the late 40s by Curtis-Wright and Douglas have successfully prevented the importation of the Lisunov Li-2 (a licence built DC-3, which can be legally flown in the US under Cuban registration-- no, laws make no sense at all), and Shvetsov engines (licence built Wright Cyclones) built in Russia, but not Shvetsov's built in Poland, or Chinese built ASh (Shvetsov licensed) engines.

Both of those suits were filed because the Soviets continued to use L-L supplied DC-3s and Cyclones after the war rather than destroy them. Which would of course have increased royalties under the two licensing agreements.

To me the saddest example was the scuttling of the five Consolidated Catalinas supplied to Quantas for the Double Sunrise flights (The Double Sunrise - Wikipedia) a 4,030 mile 27 to 33 hour journey from Perth to Africa avoiding the Japanese occupied Malaysian peninsula and Indonesia.

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To review;

The clip:




The magazine:




The Larch:

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How not to be seen.

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He was correct. The Garands are loaded with clips.

The action of the Clip from an M1 while making a "ping" sound thus alerting the Germans or other enemy combatants that your rifle was empty is pure hogwash. If the enemy was close enough to hear that "ping" he/she was close enough to have his/her hearing destroyed by the sound of the bullet being fired. If she or he were far enough away to hear it, he or she was far enough away to be no danger to the person firing the M1.

In the heat of battle with all the other sounds of rifles being fired, mortars, artillery, and other explosions no one is going to hear that "ping".

Through the extensive misuse of “clip,” it has become colloquial for magazine. It’s just one of many words that have met this fate. Folks need to move on, irregardless if they think it’s proper or not.

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A carbine.

Now, let’s fight over that pronunciation. LOL

Well, my earliest definition of that "thing" that holds a cartridge was back in 1958. That definition went something like, "if you can see all the cartridges clearly, that "holder is a CLIP, as in M1 en bloc". OTOH, if you cannot see all the cartridges clearly, "that holder is a MAGAZINE". Of course your YMMV. So it goes.

That definition seems time-sensitive.

And expired with the arrival of clear polymers.

Clip?

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