School me on the Winchester Model 1907 UPDATE at post #18

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A local place has a well-worn Winchester Model 1907 in .351 SLR for $499. I have 200 bucks in store credit burning an incandescent hole in my pocket, so the fiscal impact would be less.

Cons: What would I do with it?

Pros: Its cool.

No LE markings at all, or it would be here already.

Any fans?

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They are fun to shoot.
You really should handload the caliber to keep any sort of quantity of ammo around. But a set of dies is generally expensive as they land in the spcl order list of most die makers.
Used sets go for pricey money if the seller is aware of the market.
Bullets are a mongrel dia at .352.
Brass can be made from a few common cases but you get the idea,,keeping them fed can be some work.

There are some options for 'factory ammo'. Buffalo Arms sells loaded ammo at around $55/box of 50.
There are likely others.

The rifles themselves are pretty simple. A straight blowback.
The bolt is very heavy. The recoil spring as well.
There is a 'buffer' inside that does exactly what the name implies.
The orig were a fiber or leather matrl. Many have simply worn out or battered down in thickness to where they don't do their job anymore.
All of the WSL rifles use the same system.

There are modern buffer replacements available,,thats good.
Disassembly of these rifles can be a bit confusing but the reassembly can seem near impossible when trying to re-compress that recoilspring and get it all back inside the rifle along with the breechblock.

There are a couple ways to do it along with some shop made tools to help with the compression of the spring so it doesn't unravel and take your head off in the attempt.
Lots of info on the net on this.

The Forends like to crack,,something similar in looks to how the Fn A5 shotguns crack. A very common problem with the WSL Rifles.
Butt stocks not so much but they do also suffer wrist cracks as well.

Make sure you are getting an orig factory magazine. ,,and then don't loose it. They are very expensive at around $100 for a good cond factory orig replacement.
The 10rd factory .351mags are much more.

The orig mags bodys are made from one piece of steel,,front, back, sides and bottom. Deep drawn die stamped. No separate floor plate.

I don't have a .351 anymore but still have the 1910 Model in .401SLR.
Same ammo concerns. I make my own for the rifle.
It's just a range toy but great fun. I enjoy the early semiauto rifles like these and the Remingtons.
 
Probably worthwhile at that price. I do not have one but always lusted after the Model 1910, very similar but chambered in .401 WSL. I think cases may be available from some of the specialty brass sellers, but if so they will be costly. I have understood that cases can be formed from the 7.62x39 Russian cases, and also from the .357 Maximum. Good luck in finding the latter. Dies will be difficult to find and expensive. You might be able to "Poor Boy" a makeshift sizer die (if you know a machinist) and use .38/.357 dies for everything else. .357 lead bullets could probably be sized down, I don't know about that.
 
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A local place has a well-worn Winchester Model 1907 in .351 SLR for $499. I have 200 bucks in store credit burning an incandescent hole in my pocket, so the fiscal impact would be less.

Cons: What would I do with it?

Pros: Its cool.

No LE markings at all, or it would be here already.

Any fans?

Stock picture added to generate some small interest.

No prior experience, but there is one in a pexiglass case at the Philippine National Police training center at Camp Crame, Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines. It has some rust but is a veteran of Philippine Constabulary, then guerilla resistance to the Japanese occupation on Iloilo.
 
No prior experience, but there is one in a pexiglass case at the Philippine National Police training center at Camp Crame, Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines. It has some rust but is a veteran of Philippine Constabulary, then guerilla resistance to the Japanese occupation on Iloilo.

Also, the French and British used the M1907 to a very limited extent during WWI. Might even have been a little American use also. At one time, most of the Model 1907s saw mainly US police use. Back when I was a kid, I remember seeing some being used by the Ohio State Highway Patrol. I don't know if they could have been OSHP issue or maybe the personal property of some of the troopers. I vaguely remember seeing a M1907 at the San Antonio gun show some years back which had a Texas Ranger marking. But I am not sure about that, as it was long ago.
 
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In 2017 I sold all this .357 Max ammo to a fellow in west Georgia. Two months ago he agreed to sell some of it to an acquaintance. I can try to put you in touch with him if you want to attempt to make .351 WSL cases.

The other photo is a .30 carbine case, a .32 WSL cartridge, and a few .351 WSL cartridges.
 

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I had a .351 and a .401.

They're ok guns. Until the Ruger .44 auto carbine came out, the 1910 was the largest semi-auto rifle you could get in this country.

I would swage jacketed bullets in both .351 and .401. Still have the swaging dies somewhere.

IMR4227 or H110 was the way to go.

.351 brass could be made from .357 maximum brass fairly easily. The 1907 was also a good gun to burn up questionable .38 Special lead ammo.

I used to make .401 from .35 Rem brass although at that time Jim Bell at Brass Extrusion Laboratory Limited was making some nice stuff. Stay away from brass marked Connecticut Cartridge Company (CCC); it was lathe turned and would always have casehead seperations.

Had one 10 round magazine for the 1907; looked like something out of the the TV series "The Son".

Early M1 carbine prototype ammo was patterned on the .32WSL and of you look at some early M1 carbine prototypes you can see some WSL influence.

By the way, push the operating rod all the way back to open the bolt, give it a quarter twist and that will lock it in place.

Of the Winchester autoloading rifle family, the only one I thought was worth playing with was the 1910.
 
My old Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook shows a 171 grain lead bullet for the M1907 and provides loads using Unique, 2400, and IMR 4227. H110 is in roughly the same category as 2400 and 4227. Not long ago I mentioned here my story about finding a M1905 (originally using the .32 WSL) that apparently had been modified to use .30 Carbine, or so it was stamped. Nothing I was interested in.
 
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From my post on another forum:

Just because it comes up once in a blue moon, I thought I would re-post this for anyone who cares.

Here is the only reloading info I can find on these 2 obsolete calibers chambered in exclusively Winchester Model 1907 and 1910 from Lyman's Reloading Handbook #45, (1971?) 'Obsolete and Semi-Obsolete Cartridges.'

351 WSL

Cartridge Specifications:

Bullet diameter, jacketed - .351" - Bullet diameter cast - .352" Max case length - 1.380; trim-to 1.376; loaded OAL 1.900"; Small Rifle primers; Lyman shellholder 15.

180 Grain Jacketed Bullets

Unique 10.0 grains 1501 fps to 11.0 grains 1587 fps
2400 17.0 grains 1597 fps to 19.0 grains 1793 fps
IMR 4227 17.0 grains 1400 fps to 19.5 grains 1751 fps.

401 WSL

Bullet diameter, jacketed or cast - .406"-.407" - Max case length 1.500," trim to 1.495;" loaded OAL 2.005;" Large rifle primers; Lyman shell holder 2.

200 Grain Jacketed Bullets

Unique 13.0 grains 1597 fps to 15.2 grains 1811 fps
2400 22.0 grains 1718 fps to 24.7 grains 1915 fps.

Hope it helps!
 
Here's a link to the Vintage Semi-Automatic Sporting Rifle Forum.
Usually very quiet there.
But there are separate forums for the different models of the Winchester SLR's.
Just reading through them you can get a lot of practical info on the rifle(s)

Lots of interesting stuff there.

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I don't know why the link comes up that way, but it will take you right to the Vintage SA Rifle site.
 
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A local place has a well-worn Winchester Model 1907 in .351 SLR for $499. I have 200 bucks in store credit burning an incandescent hole in my pocket, so the fiscal impact would be less.

Cons: What would I do with it?

Pros: Its cool.

No LE markings at all, or it would be here already.

Any fans?

Stock picture added to generate some small interest.

Very cool. I've held a few with consideration to purchase, but the "con" question always comes to mind . . . what would I do with it?
 
Excluding military rifles, with one minor exception, the only semiauto CF rifles on the US market into the mid-1950s were the Winchester SLRs and the Remington Models 8 and 81 (which are essentially identical). I haven’t’ been there for awhile, but there is a very good collector website for the two Remington semi-autos.
 
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Ohio Patrol had 1907s clear up into late 70s. The most I ever saw at one time was at WVa State Pen in Moundsville. They had 28 of them, 3 mint.
Commander of guard told me the 3 mint jobs were reserved for Warden, Asst. Warden and Commander, traditionally for deer rifles. They also had scads of 10shot magazines and ammo. They had just got m16s thru some Govt program. The 28 guns and mags and ammo were available as a lot but I couldn’t swing it at the time. The ones the guards used were rode hard and put away wet.
One time I was guest in deer camp over Paw-Paw, Snubby country. The host was infatuated with my old Rem 35. He wanted it bad because his grandpa had one in old days. I didn’t want to sell it but offered to let him use it. I had backup rifle. But he insisted I use his rifle, a 1907 Win. I killed a deer with it and the is the extent of my hunting with one.
Probation era gangster Vern Miller was killed with a Win 1907. The earlier versions in CF were 32WSL, 35WSL, then 351 replaced them and 1910 came out in 401. Turns out all but the 32SL would be legal Ohio deer gun.
The 32SL was suppose to be the basis for 30carbine.
 
A local place has a well-worn Winchester Model 1907 in .351 SLR for $499. I have 200 bucks in store credit burning an incandescent hole in my pocket, so the fiscal impact would be less.

Cons: What would I do with it?

Pros: Its cool.

No LE markings at all, or it would be here already.

Any fans?

Stock picture added to generate some small interest.

Well worn is to be expected. Check the forend to ensure it's not cracked - a common ailment with that heavy as heck slide weight slamming back & forth.

If you reload it's not too difficult getting brass & bullets. And you can fashion usable cases from 300 Blackout, 5.56 or 357 Max brass.
 
I have one suggestion
Shoot it first time in private
There have been many that have worn to the point where you get multiples with each trigger pull!
You dont want that with nosey neighbors on the range
 
I went back to check thoroughly for LE marks I may have missed. None to be found. I put it back.

I went back again, to check the magazine. It was stored in the back so nobody would yoink it. I told myself if its a 10 rounder I’ll buy the gun. Nope - regular five rounder, but looked like its always been with the gun. I put it back.

Out of nowhere, a cop buddy in Idaho calls me to tell me all about his catheter. Desperate to change the subject, I mention the 1907.

Oh, he says. I’ve got a couple boxes of .351 ammo I can send you. Now, about my urethra……

(One thing I’ve learned from my LEOSA quals - Retired cops love to talk about their pensions and their operations.)

The counter guy rolled his eyes when he saw me coming. I’m buying it, I said, and he responded with a slow clap.

$475, minus my $200 store credit, so the fund didn’t suffer a crippling blow.

I love how JMB had everyone tied up with his patent on semi-auto charging handles. I used to have a “Widowmaker” shotgun with the knurling on the barrel to charge the gun. This one uses the rod under the barrel.

Its also a takedown, if you can manage pulling that blowback bolt back and simultaneously twisting the half-a-dime thick end cap. After that its a breeze to push down the little button on the tang and twist the knobby thing til its loose and the whole thing pulls in two.

I ordered a Triple K 10 round mag which will probably be junk, but will look cool.

Assuming my buddy survives his tubal removal tomorrow (which he says will be the REAL Independence Day) and ships me some ammo, I’ll follow up with a range report.

PS - according to the serial number its was made in 1908.
 

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