They wont hit the shelves until summer but I think they will be a success. So many seniors and women have problems racking slides, its nice to see a decent powered gun in a tip up version.

Girsan MC 14T - EAA Corp.

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When I see pure blowback in anything bigger than 32 ACP. I move on.

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Curious as to why.
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S&Walther PPKs 380 fan.

I read about this new tip up barrel and like our Beretta Bobcats, 22LR, it might be interesting.
More so if it was all steel.

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I saw something about these elsewhere a couple of weeks ago. One of these will (hopefully!) be my first firearm made in Turkey. I've wanted one of the Beretta versions for a looong time - but they're just too crazy expensive. Thought I saw that it/they will use the same mags as the Beretta's. Good news and thanks for posting the pictures.

I do think that they will be popular. Turkish guns have become somewhat well known and they're well made.

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Blowback 380s all kick out of all proportion to their caliber. Shoot a locked-breech 380 like a S&W 380EZ, Sig P238, or Ruger LC380 side-by-side with a Beretta 84 or a PPK/S and you will see what I mean. Pistols in 380 are often put forward as good for new shooters, but all to often the first one they try is a blowback gun and they get put off by the snappy recoil.

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Back in my cop years ('73-'77) I wanted a small backup 380. The
only small one I could find was the old AMT Backup.
Blowback auto.
I shot it.
Thought I had broken my hand. I carried it but I didn't
like it.
Fast forward th about 2005. A friend lent me a Kel-Tek
P3AT. When I first fired it I truly expected the worst.
It was MUCH lighter that the AMT.
It was actually comfortable to shoot

Wanna buy a pair of old AMT backups?

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Neat, I wonder if Girsan was able to solve the issues with this design that resulted in it being discontinued by Beretta and Taurus.

Tip up barrels work well for .22 Short, .25 ACP, and even .32 ACP, but .380 ACP was always just a bit too hot for it.

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Seemed to work OK on the CZ 38.

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Purchased a Sig 365 - .380 last week. 200 mixed rounds of HP and FMJ later it has replaced my 365 9mm for EDC. Accurate, mild recoil, and a few ounces lighter = lot to like.

I get kind of ill . . . when I think about buying any firearms made in Turkey but no doubt, they offer a lot for the money. I shot some skeet last week with some friends, some guys I did not know and the high percenter was shooting a pooh pooh Turkish over under. He cleaned 98 percent. Scraped all of us. Very nice shotgun.

This tip up .380 might be an option for ladies who cant rack slides. My wife is one of them. She does not even have enough strength to actuate a 22lr da revolver.

I was planning on moving her up to a Bersa 380 from the same sized Bersa 22lr that she shoots well. That tip up barrel is the game changer.

About time someone cloned the Beretta 86.

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How so? Seems if the barrel locks tight, the trigger pull is ok, and it goes BOOM every time ... job done.

Nice, congratulations. I still carry my diamondback DB9 in my jeans watch pocket once in a while while out riding the bicycle or just dog walking. Its puny, it kicks, but I can shoot it well. Thats all that matters. Glad we have choices. God bless America.

How come?

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LCC …You did exactly as I did and for the same reasons.

May be so, but this is clearly based on the Beretta 86 Cheetah with a tip up barrel, which to my understanding didn't hold up particularly well to .380 ACP and was discontinued.

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If I couldn't rack a slide, I wouldn't carry ANY auto, tip up barrel or not. I can't really tell from the pics, but it looks like that thing doesn't have an extractor. That's a big no for me. Most times, a FTE won't come out by flipping the barrel up. Then it's a club.

The design doesn't require an extractor because gas pressure alone is sufficient to eject the cartridge from the barrel as the action unlocks.

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That tac rail certainly looks odd on a gun like this IMO.

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A lot of folks have problems with the actions of the Turkish Government. It's too Islamic now for some.
Does anyone know if this has an extractor? The Beretta did not, it was just blow back.
Geoff

I often read how terrible blowback .380’s recoil, but I don’t see that, unless you’re talking about one of the micros. They are brutal. I have a Makarov, Beretta, and FEG in .380 and I consider them quite pleasant. And my wife likes to shoot the Makarov.

One big difference between the MC14T and the Beretta 86 that hasn't been mentioned is the use of a double stack mag. The 86 is actually a variation of the 85, with a single stack mag. The new Girsan will use the 84 style mags (not sure of compatibility with Beretta mags, but my guess is they will work). Between that and the rail, I see this gun less as a concealed carry piece, and more of a home defense gun. For me, 380 wouldn't be my first choice in that role, but for those with hand strength issues it might. That said, I still plan on picking one up.

I recently sold my 86 simply because of how much money they are currently bringing. I could buy 3 of the MC14T's for what I got for the Beretta. I also like the looks of the new 80X, but not for the price they are asking. I'm a fan of the Cheetah design, and still have an 85F. I do wish the new Girsan had the decocker as well. I don't find the blowback recoil to be harsh at all in pistols as big as these. In a Seecamp it's a bit much.

They don't extract cases as reliably as a weapon with an actual extractor. A FTE with and expanded spent case could mean needing a rod to clear the tipped up barrel, I've seen it with my own eyes. Moreover, flipping open the barrel sometimes won't clear a dead round as would racking the slide on other autos.

A range gun? But who wants a 380 range gun?? Not something I'd ever bet my life on. Ever.

Just my politics. I have to admit though, their shotguns offer a superb value for the money.

Brutal regime to this day And what they did to the Armenians in the 1920's was absolute genocide.

The Girsan, like the tip-up Berettas, cannot have an extractor as if it did the slide would have to be retracted before the barrel could be tipped up. I have looked at it on-line and confirmed there is no extractor.

Photos of the Girsan make it look like a larger gun than it is. For practical purposes it is the same size as the Walther PPK, Makarov, P-64 and Bersa Thunder. It is thicker than these because it is a double-stack.

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What do you believe were other pistols in .380 with tip-up barrels? I Do not believe there are any, and searching for ".380 pistols with tip-up barrels" none were found except the Beretta Model 86! What is your basis for claiming that .380 is too powerful (Hot) for this basic design?

Just what are the "design issues" you claim the tip-up Beretta Model 86 has? Beretta has discontinued all of the 8x series of pistols of which only the Model 86 had a tip-up barrel. Obviously the reason was not the tip-up barrel feature because the other models did not have this feature.

As for Taurus I just did a search and the information found was that Taurus did not make any pistols with tip-up barrels except the models similar to the Beretta 21a!

What is your answer to all this?

And, LV Steve, You stated "Seemed to work OK on the CZ 38."
The CZ Model 38 did not have a tip-up barrel! It had a closed top slide which cannot work with a tip-up barrel!

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I think politics is verboten on this Forum but I try to not hold nice people living under a ruthless regime responsible. I had a Turkish shotgun called a Diana, semi-auto, that worked well but only with higher pressure shells. I'm pretty sure I sold it but I'd have to do an inventory check.

Presently, I have a SAR K2 C .45 ACP and I found it to be a good shooter and easy to shoot. I think the full name of the maker is Sarsilimaz or something like that.

I bought it a couple of years ago because like everyone else I like the caliber and I like traditional double action guns, cannot abide single action guns, actually, not counting BHPs.

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I was referring to the Beretta 86.

I've heard that the Beretta 86 didn't hold up well to a steady diet of .380 ACP. Granted, like most reports of .380s wearing out or breaking, it's entirely possible that these reports are coming from the same people who endorse the so-called +P loads offered by Buffalo Bore and the like, which obviously no firearm in .380 ACP is actually rated for being there's no such thing as an official +P loading for the cartridge.
Also, admittedly I may have been thinking of the Beretta 3032 Tomcat having issues with frames cracking.

As for Taurus, I thought that they had made a clone of the Beretta 86 that either wasn't ever imported into the US or never entered full production, but attempts to verify this with a simple Google Search failed to yield any results, so I'd just as soon say that I'm remembering wrong.

At any rate, relax... I was only responding based on things that I'd heard online.

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This company makes some really good quality firearms like 1911's and BHP 's . I have thought that the model 86 Beretta was a really good design and actually wanted one but now they are no longer made and extremely expensive if you can find one. I think this would be a perfectly fine firearm.

True. I guess you could slip one in the chamber as you reassemble the thing. It's not like you have to rack the slide as it has a true DAO trigger where the hammer is fully at rest.

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The TISAS D10s are getting rave reviews... Their bare-bones, forged 1911A1 Government Model (and the various Girsan's) as well.

Cheers!

P.S. The last time I looked the Walther PPK was a highly reguarded blowback design in 380 ACP...?

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You have hit the nail on the head regarding the contradictory legend that is the PPK in 380. Yes, they are highly regarded for their quality of manufacture and minimalist design...and yet two minutes poking around the Web will also find you these comments.

1) The recoil is very snappy.
2) The slide bites my hand every time I shoot it.
3) The model with the extended tang to stop slide bite doesn't look right.
4) The model with the extended tang to stop slide bite doesn't allow a proper high grip. SMH.
5) I had one imported by XXX and it wouldn't get through a mag without a jam so I dumped the dog.

To my mind the PPK was perfectly good as a .32, but taking it to .380 was a step too far for the design, at least initially. This is an error that has been made with other guns.

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I shoot a few different 380acp pistols at the range all the time: a pair of SCCYs, a couple Kahrs, a Baby Rock, even an AMT Backup (for old times sake)...

Since I reload the primer can actually be the most expen$ive part!

Cheers!

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All of which are locked breech except the Baby Rock. My wife's buddy could do with a CPX-3 to replace the CPX-2 she bought. Poor girl has the wrists and hands of a 9-year old and struggles with 9mm.

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You are welcome. I am interested also, but need to learn more about how a pistol without an extractor is even possible. I have to study the mechanics a bit. Every Beretta or Taurus tip up I have tried was NOT failproof reliable in that regard.

That's relative...

I have some guns in 9x18 Makarov, and my brother has a Bersa Thunder in 380. Over a decade ago, we were at the range, shooting.

Yes, my FEG PA 63 in 9x18 had a pronounced sharp recoil (and for educational purposes, I have since acquired the same model in .32acp, and it has a very similar recoil). My CZ 82 was much more comfortable.
His Bersa, after shooting the FEG, felt like it had zero kick. He handed it to me, and at 7 yds I quickly put 3 rds on bullseye. The sights were on target and zeroed, and like I said, the recoil after shooting the FEG was nonexistent in comparison.

Grip geometry and construction of the panels made a lot of difference.

Actually the Baby Rock has a 1911-style system: the AMT Backup is a blowback, fixed barrel design.

Cheers!

P.S. I specifically acquired the CPX-3s for use at the range because of their generous 10+ 1 capacity and the generous 3 magazines that were included by SCCY! They have proven to me to be very reliable: once one gets familiarized with the revolver-like trigger pull they have been accurate as well.

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I WISH that the AMT backup 380 was locked breech.
See my post above. I have a pair.

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