I need help to ID this Old Musket with Octagon barrel.
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Very nice old rifle. I'm curious, could this be a conversion from flint lock to percussion cap? It looks near solid enough to still be fired.
smoothshooter
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Not a musket.
Looks like a German or Dutch shotgun to me.
Stock architecture looks like mid to late 1700’s.
May have been converted from flintlock to percussion by replacing lock and installing the nipple.
Looks like a German or Dutch shotgun to me.
Stock architecture looks like mid to late 1700’s.
May have been converted from flintlock to percussion by replacing lock and installing the nipple.
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smoothshooter
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Looks like a German or Dutch shotgun to me.
Stock architecture looks like mid to late 1700’s.
May have been converted from flintlock to percussion by replacing lock and installing the nipple, hammer, and drum.
Not sure if the lock plate was was originally flint or not.
Stock architecture looks like mid to late 1700’s.
May have been converted from flintlock to percussion by replacing lock and installing the nipple, hammer, and drum.
Not sure if the lock plate was was originally flint or not.
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Looks like a flint converted to percussion, note plate at front of lock with 2 pins covering where the striker and pan were. Looked in couple of books( one from the 1930s) but no such name. Have to remember there were 1000’s of gun makers in 1700’s -1800.
Nice looking piece, where did you acquire it?
Nice looking piece, where did you acquire it?
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You might want to go to the county records and look through the Old records for that last name. Also check with any local historians.
Thurnau is the name of the City in Germany
The Bbl address may be the retailer and not the gun maker.
It looks like the name is T. A. Haein
The AE joined to appear as one letter as they often did.
The letters were Silver inlayed but some of the inlay has fallen out.
The A. after the name and before the City is my poor guess,, probably for 'Aus' (from)
Looks like a conversion from Flint to Percussion. The lockplate shows the small support feature on the bottom edge of the plate for the frizzen spring screw and a plugged hole right above it.
The Percussion locks usually were made using only one side lock screw. Flint locks using two. This lock plate has the flint second lock plate screw at the extreme front end of the plate.
..and the whole gun could just have been made up of usable parts from other guns at some point in the past. Nothing usable ever got trashed untill we got to the latter part of the 20th Century.
Nice looking piece and certainly worth the money!
Put a rod down the bbl and check the length against the outside of the bbl to make sure it isn't still loaded.
The Bbl address may be the retailer and not the gun maker.
It looks like the name is T. A. Haein
The AE joined to appear as one letter as they often did.
The letters were Silver inlayed but some of the inlay has fallen out.
The A. after the name and before the City is my poor guess,, probably for 'Aus' (from)
Looks like a conversion from Flint to Percussion. The lockplate shows the small support feature on the bottom edge of the plate for the frizzen spring screw and a plugged hole right above it.
The Percussion locks usually were made using only one side lock screw. Flint locks using two. This lock plate has the flint second lock plate screw at the extreme front end of the plate.
..and the whole gun could just have been made up of usable parts from other guns at some point in the past. Nothing usable ever got trashed untill we got to the latter part of the 20th Century.
Nice looking piece and certainly worth the money!
Put a rod down the bbl and check the length against the outside of the bbl to make sure it isn't still loaded.
+1. Definitely looks like a flintlock-to-percussion conversion of a nice German musket. The barrel is too long to be a shotgun, even for birds or waterfowl, so it's a musket. A shotgun would most likely have had double flintlocks and two barrels. Early European muskets typically had bores of between .60-.80, and the most common military versions were .69 and .75. Yours appears to be a nice German hunting musket with a .63 bore (maybe late 1700s to early 1800s), converted by a competent gunsmith to percussion. For $50 you did great...even if it's just a wall hanger and conversation piece.
smoothshooter
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That may be a $1,000 dollar gun. Possibly more.
One or more of that gun’s previous owners would be crapping their drawers if they knew what it sold for.
deadin
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Wanna double your money?? 
