Semiauto with revolver trigger?

[Telecaster]

The things I think of when laying in bed before my alarm goes off...

Most of us love our revolvers because they have a safe long heavy(ish) double action trigger, which you can thumb back as desired to have a short crisp light single action shot.

Yeah, they made lots of DA/SA semiautos, but that ain't the same thing, not even close.

Was there ever any attempt to build a semiauto with a trigger that gives you the exact same options as a DA revolver? If not, why the heck not?

[03hemi]

Yes, the Colt Double Eagle, it's rare and it's a dog. Nobody bought them because the trigger is like that of a revolver?
Why wouldn't you want a "glass snapping" trigger like the 45 auto gives was the ultimate question?

[Telecaster]

Why wouldn't I want a K-frame trigger on a semi-auto? No safety needed.

[Hair Trigger]

Originally Posted by Telecaster

The things I think of when laying in bed before my alarm goes off...

Most of us love our revolvers because they have a safe long heavy(ish) double action trigger, which you can thumb back as desired to have a short crisp light single action shot.

Yeah, they made lots of DA/SA semiautos, but that ain't the same thing, not even close.

Was there ever any attempt to build a semiauto with a trigger that gives you the exact same options as a DA revolver? If not, why the heck not?

You answered your own question. The DA/SA semiauto does the same thing a revolver does, at least on the first shot. DAO semiauto's, so far as I know, don't have a single action sear on the hammer, so can't be used SA, and have a long pull on each and every shot. I'm not a fan of either one. I want the same pull on every shot, so a striker-fired or SAO that you can cock and lock are my only choices. Actually, my only choice is SAO because that's all I own.

[03hemi]

Handle one and you'll understand why they sucked and didn't sell especially if you're an auto kinda guy.

[NY-1]

I've heard that the Kahr K9 has a very agreeable DAO trigger feel if you're used to a revolver trigger. I've always wanted to try one out. (I love the clean lines of these things, unbesmirched by unsightly rails or front slide serrations.)

[Rammer Jammer]

Not a lot of DAO semi autos made but what comes to mind is a few of the Ruger P series. Most are DA/SA but a few were made DAO. Good guns but not exactly refined.

[BigMuddy]

My S&W 4546 DAO Semi Auto has a better “long” trigger pull than any revolver I’ve ever owned.

I guess I don’t understand the OP’s question. As stated the DA/SA semi autos would be what he’s asking for.

Dan

[David Sinko]

For years I suffered with a DAO Sig 229 as a duty gun. That had to be the second worst trigger pull on a semiautomatic pistol (the top spot going to the HK VP70Z). The hammer on the Sig would follow the slide forward and was then actuated by the trigger, providing a very long and heavy trigger pull. It could not be thumb cocked. If you aren't a police administrator, why would you want such a thing? They are extremely difficult to shoot well and can not be compared to a good DA revolver trigger.

[gmarshall99]

Cz75 series of semi autos does.

[reddog81]

When you say they are not the same thing and not even close what do you mean? What’s wrong with DA / SA semi autos?

I have a CZ 75 and it has a long DA pull and nice crisp SA pull like you average revolver. The DA pull is lighter than your average revolver but comparable to a tuned gun. I could make the trigger worse if I wanted to but that seems crazy to me.

[Telecaster]

Originally Posted by BigMuddy

I guess I don’t understand the OP’s question.

Yup, no one else did either.

S&W Model 66:

Six trigger pulls, all the same pull, long smooth double action heavy enough not to need a safety to be safe. Too slow to fire? Not for Jerry Miculek.

Six trigger pulls, thumb back the hammer, take your time, make one ragged hole with a short, light, crisp single action.

Or mix and match at your discretion.

Now, do that with 15 or more rounds of 9mm, or 10 rounds of .45ACP.

This is NOT what a DA/SA semiauto offers.

[mikerjf]

I think the OP wants a DAO auto with the option to cock it for SA, * only when desired *.

[LVSteve]

I don't think one was ever made. If you think about how a semi operates, the hammer and sear cannot tell the difference between the slide pushing back the hammer, and your thumb pulling back the hammer.

The nearest I can think of are these true DAO (no pre-cocking) guns. Sig P250 series, SCCY CPX1, 2&3, Kel Tec P11, CZ100, Browning BDM set to DAO.

[SmithNut]

Originally Posted by Telecaster

Yup, no one else did either.

S&W Model 66:

Six trigger pulls, all the same pull, long smooth double action heavy enough not to need a safety to be safe. Too slow to fire? Not for Jerry Miculek.

Six trigger pulls, thumb back the hammer, take your time, make one ragged hole with a short, light, crisp single action.

Or mix and match at your discretion.

Now, do that with 15 or more rounds of 9mm, or 10 rounds of .45ACP.

This is NOT what a DA/SA semiauto offers.

You need a DAO S&W Third Gen auto. There are many versions.
What you don't need is one that you can cock and shoot single action, IMO. There is no good reason to shoot SA for defense.

I know, I know, the 1911 folks are going to show up denouncing my opinion, but I'll stay put on this, when in a defensive situation a 5-9 pound trigger pull feels like 4 ounces..... don't want one.

Cheers....

[Kevin J.]

I was raised and and eventually trained on revolvers (model 15 was my duty carry) I have owned the Kahr CM9 and it had IMO the closest trigger to a double action revolver.

[Well Armed]

What would be the point OP? Seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

[Well Armed]

Originally Posted by Telecaster

Yup, no one S&W Model 66:

Six trigger pulls, all the same pull, long smooth double action heavy enough not to need a safety to be safe. Too slow to fire? Not for Jerry Miculek.

Hit the decoker 6 times if you want 6 DAO pulls with a DA/SA semiauto. A DA/SA semiauto has a DAO first trigger pull, thus it does NOT need a safety to carry or after the initial shot.

Originally Posted by Telecaster

Yup, no one S&W Model 66:

Six trigger pulls, thumb back the hammer, take your time, make one ragged hole with a short, light, crisp single action.

Either fire the first DAO round OR cock the hammer back like you would a revolver to be in SAO mode....

Originally Posted by Telecaster

This is NOT what a DA/SA semiauto offers.

DA/SA offers something that makes much, much, much more sense and logic vs what you're asking for. If you want this feature because you do want to have to use a thumb safety, a DA/SA pistols is in the same condition when carried and for the first shot as a revolver is in.

[hkcavalier]

I can't think of many people who would willingly choose a DAO. It's made functionally worse on purpose for 'safety' (lawyers and liability) reasons, much like the Glock "NY" heavy disconnector.

EDIT: in a full size gun. I have pocket autos that are DAO just because there's not enough space for a decocker. And they all suck to actually shoot!

A DA/SA serves a mechanical purpose --- you cock the hammer with the first pull, but then get the benefit of a nice SA pull for the follow up shots as the slide cocks the hammer for you. You're asking to take away some of this engineering elegance for...why exactly? I shot lots of M9 as a military competitive shooter back in the day, and we never saw any discernable difference in scores during rapid fire starting with the hammer cocked vs. forward...to me the "it's better because every trigger pull is the same" is a total myth in the same camp as "9mm will shoot your lungs out!"

[shawn mccarver]

You might look at the Browning Dual Mode (BDM), long out of production, and the 15-shot factory magazines are expensive due to rarity. This was Browning's submission to the FBI for its pistol trials. Obviously, they were offering a pistol that had features of both a DA/SA with decocker, and DAO (revolver mode). It is very thin, and works very well. My recollection is that it was perhaps a little fragile as it may have had issues in the longevity part of the test. Don't hold me to that, but the pistol did not win the trials.

[BAM-BAM]

I think he's asking if there's a gun with the option of a SA or DA first shot.

Original CZ75 lower the hammer for a DA first shot or thumb cock it for a SA first shot.

Really any DA/SA with a full hammer can be thumb cocked for a SA first shot!

[Well Armed]

Originally Posted by hkcavalier

I can't think of many people who would willingly choose a DAO. It's made functionally worse on purpose for 'safety' (lawyers and liability) reasons, much like the Glock "NY" heavy disconnector.

A DA/SA serves a mechanical purpose --- you cock the hammer with the first pull, but then get the benefit of a nice SA pull for the follow up shots as the slide cocks the hammer for you. You're asking to take away some of this engineering elegance for...why exactly? I shot lots of M9 as a military competitive shooter back in the day, and we never saw any discernable difference in scores during rapid fire starting with the hammer cocked vs. forward...to me the "it's better because every trigger pull is the same" is a total myth in the same camp as "9mm will shoot your lungs out!"

A lot of people have zero problems with and don't mind shooting DAO handguns. I'd choose my Kahr over many traditional striker-fired handgun on the market. The skill level and learning cure needed to shoot DA/SA and striker-fired handguns is much lower which is why they are preferred the most. That's the same reason why striker-fired handguns are preferred over DA/SA; the learning curve and skill level needed is lower.

That said, SA revolvers are only preferred because the design is simplistic, e.i., has less moving parts, is not ammo dependent, limp-wrist immune, etc. What the OP is basically asking for is like asking for a revolver with all the cons of a semiauto or vis versa.

[murphydog]

For a gun used for sport or target shooting, one with “mode switching” might work well. For a defensive pistol, the KISS principle rules, which in this day and age means a striker action with only one way to function.

[alwslate]

I have a Beretta 92FS Centurion that is double action only. It's often called the slick slide. No safety, cannot be thumb cocked. One way to fire it, DAO with multiple strikes available. A smoother DA pull than the standard DA-SA models.

[LVSteve]

Originally Posted by SmithNut

You need a DAO S&W Third Gen auto. There are many versions.
What you don't need is one that you can cock and shoot single action, IMO. There is no good reason to shoot SA for defense.

I know, I know, the 1911 folks are going to show up denouncing my opinion, but I'll stay put on this, when in a defensive situation a 5-9 pound trigger pull feels like 4 ounces..... don't want one.

Cheers....

IIRC, all the S&W 3rd Gen DAO pistols require a pre-cock. The same is true of the Kahr pistols. Arguably, it could be said that racking the first round into the chamber does that, but if a round doesn't go there is no "second strike" capability with a 3rd Gen, unlike the pistols I named above. Now, it can be argued that second strike is a bad idea, but that's for another thread.

[Baltimoreed11754]

The Para Carry has a unique double action only. The slide has to cycle to pull the trigger and move the hammer, theres no other way to cock the spurless hammer. Has a good trigger pull.

[Oldsalt66]

SIG manfactured several double action only pistols.

[chev37s]

I have a sig p250 compact in 9mm and 40 and they both have really smooth dao triggers and are very accurate once you get used to them. Really similar to a double action revolver. They are very safe for concealed carry but a bit heavy on the hip. Actually, I wish they would make something like these in a shield plus / hellcat size in da/sa or just dao.

[Walter Rego]

I have a Kahr K9 and it is DAO. The striker is partially cocked upon the forward motion of the slide going into battery, and then pulling the trigger causes a trigger bar to push the striker further back until it reaches the point where it releases. Which is also the same point that the firing pin (striker) safety plunger also is depressed allowing the striker to go forward and fire.

There are no external safeties and no exposed hammer to cock. The DAO pull on mine measures 5 lbs, 13 oz. Is it as nice as my Model 19-3 ? No. But it's quite good and I think a whole lot safer that the typical Glock-type striker fired pistols with the lever on the trigger. There is no "second strike" capability should you get a round with a bad primer, although it seems like a good idea to rack the slide to either eject the bad round, or chamber a round if the first one didn't feed from the magazine like you thought it did.

[wild47]

Originally Posted by shawn mccarver

You might look at the Browning Dual Mode (BDM), long out of production, and the 15-shot factory magazines are expensive due to rarity. This was Browning's submission to the FBI for its pistol trials. Obviously, they were offering a pistol that had features of both a DA/SA with decocker, and DAO (revolver mode). It is very thin, and works very well. My recollection is that it was perhaps a little fragile as it may have had issues in the longevity part of the test. Don't hold me to that, but the pistol did not win the trials.

The BDA was Sig Sauer's P-220, Browning was used as an importer with their name and prestige for the military trials. Berretta won the contract.


The BDA disappeared several years later and Sig Sauer found another importer for thier P-220 in 45 ACP, 9mmk, and 38 Super.

[diyj98]

Originally Posted by 03hemi

Yes, the Colt Double Eagle, it's rare and it's a dog. Nobody bought them because the trigger is like that of a revolver?

I did. But we all make mistakes.

[80sgyrene]

Wild47-
The BDA and BDM are two totally different guns.
The BDA was a typical DA/SA auto.
The BDM was a unique animal featuring a pistol mode and revolver mode.
It was described accurately above, very nice pistol, I’ve owned two but parted with both as I just couldn’t shoot them as well as others. Notice the switch on the slide.
This would meet the OPs criteria

[wild47]

You are correct. I remembered after posting and editing twice... got frustrated and am glad you made the correction. Thank you.

[ISCS Yoda]

I prefer TDA pistols - traditional double action - aka DA/SA. But I do happen to have a DAO revolver:



I like it a lot!

[walter o]

Doesn't anybody have a S&W 457? just what the original poster was asking about It is SA onlyhammer fired ,you cant pre cock the hammer ,jUst pull the trigger .Carry with a round in the chamber ,no safety switch to worry about Trigger acts like a revolver ,same resistance from start to finish( light pul)l.Some were requested to be made without second strike capabilities,some with second strike capabilities(ordered by Chicago Police as off duty personal guns AS NO DOUBLE STRIKE.i HAVE 1 AND LOVE THE ACTION

[murphydog]

Guys, see post #13.

[robvious]

Kahr K9 and Sig P250 have a revolver like double action trigger but no single action option.... I refer to my P250 as my square revolver... long and smooth trigger

[80sgyrene]

Originally Posted by murphydog

Guys, see post #13.

As said, I believe the Browning BDM fits this criteria.
Been a while since I owned one, but I believe it can be cocked in revolver mode.

[armadillo]

Have you tried a S&W M-39 or a Sig-Sauer P-series with a "short reset trigger"?

[ISCS Yoda]

What's the actual difference between a M457 (2nd Gen) and a CS-45 (3rd Gen), not counting that the 457 is a tad larger? Are they not each TDA pistols with decockers and bobbed hammers or did I miss something? Neither has a visible hammer as I recollect. I still have a CS-45 but I let my .457 go to my old law partner a long time ago.

[ISCS Yoda]

Isn't a 6906 just a big brother to the CS-45?

[dsf]

Originally Posted by NY-1

I've heard that the Kahr K9 has a very agreeable DAO trigger feel if you're used to a revolver trigger. I've always wanted to try one out. (I love the clean lines of these things, unbesmirched by unsightly rails or front slide serrations.)

It does have the DA trigger pull and that's why it's my EDC gun. Smooth and consistent, no stacking. And unlike the striker fired stuff, the FP spring is at full rest until you start the pull. Pressing the trigger cams it back to fully cocked.

I get it that the striker fired stuff has a FP block and can't accidentally go "bang" but still, I like that consistent, long DA pull.

[petepeterson]

Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda

What's the actual difference between a M457 (2nd Gen) and a CS-45 (3rd Gen), not counting that the 457 is a tad larger? Are they not each TDA pistols with decockers and bobbed hammers or did I miss something? Neither has a visible hammer as I recollect. I still have a CS-45 but I let my .457 go to my old law partner a long time ago.

Pretty sure the 457 is 3rd Gen, as well. Just using the 3-digit Value line system.
Great Chief, BTW. I let the 9 version go to a fellow member here. Oops!

[Telecaster]

Originally Posted by murphydog

Guys, see post #13.

Yes, the BDM seems to be the only one that comes close. Wiley Clapp liked it.

[hardluk1]

Telecaster - Are you so limited in your skills to not find all the DOA pistols out there or function like a DAO as KAHR does but looks like your young to remember all the gen 3 s&w pistol soooo many LE's carried . When the 3 number is a 4, 5 or 8 its a DOA pistol !

Ruger had the P94, 95 and 97 in DAO

Sig - Don't remember any sig with DAO triggers like the P250 or 239, 226, 229 , 220 even .

Thats enough for 2 minutes glance at some pistols I have and others I know well so figure it out for your self .
I know there's still a number of others but that's you problem .

[otis24]

Yeah, I really wanted a DAO pistol! Until I got one. I couldn’t hit **** with it. It went bye bye in pretty short order. DA/SA is the way to go in a semiautomatic if you want a long trigger pull for safety. IMHO, Kahr has one of the best trigger pulls. Traded my Kahr K9 to my neighbor. I’m hoping to get it back soon.

[Telecaster]

Originally Posted by hardluk1

Telecaster - Are you so limited in your skills to not find all the DOA pistols out there or function like a DAO as KAHR does but looks like your young to remember all the gen 3 s&w pistol soooo many LE's carried . When the 3 number is a 4, 5 or 8 its a DOA pistol !

Ruger had the P94, 95 and 97 in DAO

Sig - Don't remember any sig with DAO triggers like the P250 or 239, 226, 229 , 220 even .

Thats enough for 2 minutes glance at some pistols I have and others I know well so figure it out for your self .
I know there's still a number of others but that's you problem .

Again, that is not what I asked. Thank you for playing, here are some nice parting gifts.

[dsf]

Originally Posted by Telecaster

The things I think of when laying in bed before my alarm goes off...

Most of us love our revolvers because they have a safe long heavy(ish) double action trigger, which you can thumb back as desired to have a short crisp light single action shot.

Yeah, they made lots of DA/SA semiautos, but that ain't the same thing, not even close.

Was there ever any attempt to build a semiauto with a trigger that gives you the exact same options as a DA revolver? If not, why the heck not?

I suppose the Webley "auto-revolver" comes close. But I'll focus on the "why not?" questions.

Any SA/DA capable semi pistol relies on a drawbar to actuate the hammer. A trigger connected to a drawbar which is connected to a hammer will not have the same DA pull with SA break capability as a SA/DA revolver. The mechanical function and stacking of tolerances won't allow it.

[SmithNut]

Originally Posted by LVSteve

....... there is no "second strike" capability with a 3rd Gen.......

Regardless of SA/DA/SA, DAO, etc.... didn't they invent this thing called "Tap/Rack/Go (or bang)" when a round that's supposed to be in the chamber didn't fire???

Just wondering....

[murphydog]

OP's question asked and answered per his reply, thread closed.