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Old 02-09-2024, 11:09 AM
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Rumor is circulating that Heckler & Koch is planning on bringing out a run of their classic P7 squeeze cockers again. Specifically the M13. The gun supposedly will feature some modern enhancements such as ambi controls, optics cuts, and a picadilly rail for mounting a torch.

Seeing as originals are fetching well over $4000 on the open market this is interesting for sure.

Has anyone else read much about this?

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Interesting. If I would have known, I would have taken time to stop by their booth at SHOT...assuming they had one.

That said, I've never been a fan. A few departments around here issued them, but they didn't last long. The officers didn't appreciate the loud click when cocking it, most thought they were butt-ugly and there weren't many choices for leather.
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Rumor is circulating that Heckler & Koch is planning on bringing out a run of their classic P7 squeeze cockers again. Specifically the M13. The gun supposedly will feature some modern enhancements such as ambi controls, optics cuts, and a picadilly rail for mounting a torch.

Seeing as originals are fetching well over $1000 on the open market this is interesting for sure.

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I think that was a typo. Original P7M13s in nice condition are approaching 4K on the open market. I havenít heard about them being reintroduced, but Iíll buy a bunch if they do.
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I assumed you were going to say Girsan or Tisas was making them.
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I think that was a typo. Original P7M13s in nice condition are approaching 4K on the open market. I havenít heard about them being reintroduced, but Iíll buy a bunch if they do.
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I'd honestly rather they bring back the VP-70z and P9S.
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I have a P7M8, if they reintroduce a M13 at a reasonable price (by H&K standards) and they are as well made as the originals, I would definitely buy one.

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Nice if true, but with the typical “aspirational” H & K retail pricing it will probably be a $5-6K gun.
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Many years ago A friend bought a P7 and loaned it to me for a test shoot. Stamped steel with open rough welds on the inside and an excessive price. Very hard to get used to compared to conventional guns. I wouldn't buy one if they were the same price as a Glock.
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The NJ State Police adopted it in the 1980s, the troopers didn't like it, required an awkward and unnatural grip to draw, in addition they needed a heat shield in the top of the trigger guard, a long course of fire made for uncomfortable heat buildup.
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The NJ State Police adopted it in the 1980s, the troopers didn't like it, required an awkward and unnatural grip to draw, in addition they needed a heat shield in the top of the trigger guard, a long course of fire made for uncomfortable heat buildup.

I have never met a NJ Trooper who was issued a H&K and didnít like them. Like to the point that they put it along side the SIG P228.

They had them from 1983 to 2000, fully switching to the P228. Prior to getting the SIGs and the failed attempt at the SW99, NJSP attempted to purchase replacement P7M8s from H&K. They stopped production by then.

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I had a P7 German Police surplus.

I really didn't care for it.

But, to each their own.
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The NJ State Police adopted it in the 1980s, the troopers didn't like it, required an awkward and unnatural grip to draw, in addition they needed a heat shield in the top of the trigger guard, a long course of fire made for uncomfortable heat buildup.
You have to understand how Germans specify things to get why they didn't have a heat shield in the original design. I would bet that a German police "course of fire" rarely goes beyond a double tap. I doubt they are trained to keep whaling on the trigger as seems to be the way with most US LEO training.

Best example of this from years ago was an artillery location radar developed with Germany. Apparently, the spec said something like "75% availability in a 24 hour period". Unfortunately, the system got hot after about 3 hours of operation and then had to cool down for an hour before being used again. That meets the 75% requirement, but it doesn't mean you could run one for 18 hours continuously, which was the interpretation of one user country. German lawyers argued it met the spec, and I think they won.

I'm still kicking myself for not grabbing a PSP off CDNN 10-15 years ago.
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I can't see HK doing this... but who knows? I have a trade in PSP that I payed $500 for at the tail end of their importing. Wish I had a bought a few of them considering what they go for nowadays. You really have to shoot one to appreciate them - accurate/reliable/soft shooting, that said, for a single stack 9mm they are ridiculously heavy. I wouldn't see them being any more popular today than they were 30 years ago... and would for sure cost WAY more. I'd love to see a company like Girsan bring one to the market, but I doubt that would ever happen.
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A while back I passed on a West German Trade in.
Could have had it at my Buddyís Wholesale cost.
Regret it because of the price run up, but the truth is -
I Didnít like it!
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I have shot a P7M8, it is about the easiest 9 mm pistol to shoot - heavy, low bore axis, decent sights. A great beginner's gun for the caliber if you know how it operates.
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I have a P7 German police trade (NDS marked) low 4 digit serial that I picked up at a pawn shop for a ridiculously low price. Came with the box.

It's a beater. The side is discolored due to a thin finish and the are obvious machine marks on the trigger guard. But aside from the cosmetic issues, that thing will shoot! It's a laser! The fluted chamber making the brass stripy with power residue is cool, too!

The only thing I don't like about it is the heel mag release. Well, that and the staple gun grip safely.
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Ill believe it when I see it. It must have come from the same rumor mill that said Glock was coming out with a 1911
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Neat guns for sure but I’ll never understand why some folks lose their minds over them and shell out thousands and thousands for them. Anything “new” by HK will be ludicrously expensive.
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I've owned a couple of P7s. I still have the P7M8 I bought new back in the '80s. I like the P7s, but to each his own. Hard for me to imagine that HK would reintroduce a P7 or close variant in today's high capacity, and relatively inexpensive, polymer pistol World..
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The P7M8 series pistols were already completely ambidextrous. I missed a chance to purchase my issued pistol when they were replaced and I kick myself every time I think about it.
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I'd honestly rather they bring back the VP-70z and P9S.
Well, no "z" on this one. And given the trigger pull the cyclic rate is about 6 RPM ....

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Rather than H&K bringing out a modernized P7 at great expense, how about Canik give us a drop safe version of the Vektor CP1.
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I've owned P7s in both PSP and M8 patterns. The sheltered, heel-release is much preferred. I've never shot one, but have had my mitts around an M13 several times. They are both ridiculously thick and heavy. Even if they built it around an alloy frame, they'd still have that awful shape. I saw one at a local pawn shop recently for $3900.
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Yes, the M13 is a lump. A little too much of a good thing.
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Wishful thinking. Aside from the P7 cultists it would simply be too expensive to compete in the market. Had one eons ago. It was neat but not really anything special.
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This is as close as we get to a polymer P7 these days. Available in 380 and 9mm, and in a variety of colors.

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A NEW P7? Ha Ha, that's right up there with S&W making lever action rifles and Colt coming out with a new blued Python.

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I bought a 380 Version of the P7 many years ago in Bozeman, it's sitting unfired in my gun vault to this day. A dealer told me they are very rare in the US but a lot of them were sold in Europe back in the day.
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Iíve the P7M8, P7M13 and P7M10. Iím the odd duck out in that I love the grip safety and low bore axis. Very accurate guns. To make myself out to be even more dysfunctional, I absolutely love the M10. It is quite pleasant to shoot. Due to the limited parts availability, I only take them out to oil them, but definitely, along with the 1911, one of my favorites.

I doubt that H&K will revisit the P7 series for the same reason that you wonít see additional F-22 fighters.

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I am in the group of fans of the P7s. I also have one of the M8s with the plum colored slide and machined mark on the slide where a unit marking or something was removed. It shoots wonderfully and I have been known to carry it.
I have another M8 in excellent shape and an M13 that I haven't and probably won't shoot.

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I'd buy a Turkish one for $700 but not a re-released H&K for $2500. Magazines would be an issue in WA now, but not insurmountable...
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$2500 would be a great price. These were very costly to manufacture.
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How do you say "Great design! We'll worry about how to make it later" in German?
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The HK P7 "Squeezecock" is an iconic firearm that every German hagun enthusiast should own.
I dont mind the PSP versions heel release, it was a requirement for German service Pistols back then and found on the P38, P1, HSc, P4, and P5 to name a few.
The trigger guard does get hot after 1 magazine but doubt the German police get in many (if any) prolonged shootouts,
As stated above the P7 M8 and M13 have an ambi mag release (technically so does the PSP).
I do remember the M13 version bring about $1700 20 years ago, doubt HK would produce a limited retro run of P7s as they would likely have to charge above $5k in today's dollars.
One of my favorite features of the P7 is that although it's striker fired its design allows for second strike in case of a light primer strike,
On a side note for those that have never fired one the P7 can be fired two different ways, you can of course squeeze the cocking lever in the grip and then pull the trigger but you can also hold the trigger back and fire the P7 by squeezing the cocking lever in the grip like a stapel gun.
Btw the P7M8 and PSP Magazines do not interchange.
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Iíve the P7M8, P7M13 and P7M10. Iím the odd duck out in that I love the grip safety and low bore axis. Very accurate guns. To make myself out to be even more dysfunctional, I absolutely love the M10. It is quite pleasant to shoot. Due to the limited parts availability, I only take them out to oil them, but definitely, along with the 1911, one of my favorites.

I doubt that H&K will revisit the P7 series for the same reason that you wonít see additional F-22 fighters.
The correct term for the ďgrip safetyĒ is the cocking lever. The cocking lever cocks the weapon when gripped firmly and decocks the weapon when released. The cocking lever acts as a slide release when the slide is locked back. Very, very fast!
Fun fact: you can pull the trigger and then depress the cocking lever and the weapon will discharge. Pull the trigger and depress the cocking lever simultaneously and the weapon will fire.
The P7M8 had an ambidextrous magazine release and an added heat shield over the trigger to protect the shooter from the gas systems heat during extended firing.
I carried the P7M8 during the same time period as the NJSP. They were light, accurate and the fastest reloading handgun I ever carried. I qualified as a firearms instructor using my issued P7M8.
However, they are mechanically intricate and prone to spring failure. Part of the reason they were eventually retired.
Parts must be hard to find today. Enjoy your collection.
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It is the most accurate handgun that I own. I carry a standard civilian P7 model every day.
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I wouldnít mind owning one of these.
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To the original statement, there is a new manufacturer clone of P7 close to release. Custom P7 | P7Pro

That said, the new release P7 is milled in titanium and is a custom gun. My preferred version, with a splurge for Nils grips, prices at above $3000.

As noted, cool gun, but I rather enjoy spending that on a Manurhin instead.
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Interesting! Made in TX. Can’t wait for the YT reviews. Were they at SHOT? If not they missed some serious marketing buzz.
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While I was in Kosovo, I worked with a German police lieutenant who carried a H&K P7. When he when on leave, I volunteered to clean it for him. The 2 weeks he was on vacation, I was assigned to the range, where I had access to unlimited ammo.

I shot it whenever I could. It was a fine handgun. When my friend returned, his sidearm was sparkling clean.
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To the original statement, there is a new manufacturer clone of P7 close to release. Custom P7 | P7Pro

That said, the new release P7 is milled in titanium and is a custom gun. My preferred version, with a splurge for Nils grips, prices at above $3000.

As noted, cool gun, but I rather enjoy spending that on a Manurhin instead.
I see a lawsuit from H&K if they ever get built. I only see renderings on that web page.

The address listed for the business is a house in Austin Texas

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I see a lawsuit from H&K if they ever get built. I only see renderings on that web page.

The address listed for the business is a house in Austin Texas
Why? I'm sure the patents have expired.

When I first arrived in Afghanistan in 2004, I was issued a copy of the MP 5. I believe it was made in Turkey.
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Why? I'm sure the patents have expired.

When I first arrived in Afghanistan in 2004, I was issued a copy of the MP 5. I believe it was made in Turkey.
All of the Turkish MP5s, HK94's, HK93's, etc. was produced under license from H&K at the Kirkkale plant of the Turkish firm of MKE. Patents may have expired but H&K still owns all intellectual rights to the design.
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All of the Turkish MP5s, HK94's, HK93's, etc. was produced under license from H&K at the Kirkkale plant of the Turkish firm of MKE. Patents may have expired but H&K still owns all intellectual rights to the design.
Kirikkale, perhaps? I have owned a couple of Walther PP clones made by them.
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All of the Turkish MP5s, HK94's, HK93's, etc. was produced under license from H&K at the Kirkkale plant of the Turkish firm of MKE. Patents may have expired but H&K still owns all intellectual rights to the design.
The armorer told those of us that received these clones to go out & shoot them as soon as possible, as half of them jammed. I was lucky; mine shot OK. When my Beretta M9 and M4 showed up, I felt much better.
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The armorer told those of us that received these clones to go out & shoot them as soon as possible, as half of them jammed. I was lucky; mine shot OK. When my Beretta M9 and M4 showed up, I felt much better.
It is my understanding that most of the equipment and tooling that H&K send to Turkey was quite worn already and the tolerances were almost out of spec. It was a learning curve that they finally figured out but the early stuff was garbage as you stated.
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Kirikkale, perhaps? I have owned a couple of Walther PP clones made by them.
HUH! I own a Hungarian PP clone, but I've never seen a Turkish one. How are they marked?
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