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Who knows? If the "Red Dawn" scenario ever comes to pass, I would use this piece as my preferred gun for repelling boarders.

Compact. Maneuverable. Accurate. Easily available ammo. Equipped for night usage. Fast red dot sight.

What's yours?

John

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- Cogito, ergo armatus sum -

In Red Dawn they mostly used AK’s. I definitely prefer these over AK’s.

I threw a carbine in my trunk yesterday along with a secondary backup handgun… and 12 magazines and 600 rounds for the 70-minute journey to friends’ house out of town where we gathered to view the eclipse in the path of totality. Made sense to me and they never came out of the trunk.

Well, I ain't got me one of them, but I am thinkin on it. Trouble is I have no idea where to start. There are too many ways to make a mistake for the uninformed

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I ain't no fortunate son

Very nice, here's mine...



No lights, lasers, or other electronic gadgets on mine because frankly I want to keep the weight down and I don't want to rely on battery-powered in a situation in which they might become scarce and charging them infeasible.

Yes, I'm feeling special, but it is a special purpose carbine, so I think it's appropriate.

Fortunately, there really aren't any bad ARs on the market that I'm aware of, even entry level ARs offered by Aero, PSA, Ruger, and S&W are good to go, they just don't have all the bells and whistles. Don't believe the armchair commandos who insist that anything but a high-end AR will fall apart after 1000 rounds, for as much as they insist it is so, none of those jokers have ever been willing to put their money where their mouth is by buying a cheap PSA and shooting it on camera until it finally falls apart.

Another opinion is to buy a police trade-in, which is the route I took. You'll save money yet still end up with a high quality carbine that at most may need a new drop in part at most, but typically they've spent most of their lives riding around in a patrol car with their only significant wear being external.

That being said, if you're worried about it, then you could always just buy a Colt and be done with it. Not even the guy with the Gucci Geissele or the Tactical Pterodactyl Alpha Romeo One-Five will bad-mouth an LE6920.

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Shooting Comfort is bilateral.

About two years ago I went to Ken Eister's shop in Centerburg, Oh, with a friend. (Eister's is run by two of his sons now) My friend had bought an 1826 English Blunder Buss with folding bayonet. The 14" barrel was bronze and the action was flint!

That is a true "Repel Boarders" gun, everything else is just a pretender!

Ivan

The 14" Remington 1100 just might qualify for that job too!

This is my "Repel Boarders" gun. Hold nine rounds of any 2 3/4's 12 gauge that your little old heart desires. My usual is 00 Buck and slug. In a pinch you can mount a bayonet on it. Nothing fancy, no electronics to fail ay the most inopportune moment. Just point and shoot!

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It's either this one (with a 60rnd quad stack)



Or this one

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Psalm 27:2

I got a serious anti boarding gun. Just stuff it full of nails or broken glass and touch it off. Clears the deck in no time.

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I’m a Vietnam Vet and have owned hundreds of guns. People ask me why I didn’t have an AR. I had nothing against them. In fact first experience with m16 freaked me out how light and accurate it was. I just had a thing against auto loading rifles.
Due to social situation couple years back I picked up a PSA here on forum. I sighted it in and cleaned it and put it in the rack. I still have no use for it unless the SHF. I bought 2k of ammo and there she sits. I still have no use for one but have no use for insurance unless house burns down. Nice thing is house has better chance of burning down than SHF, in my estimation. Some nimrod is going to step in here with a blue steel & walnut smoke pole classic and he is going to be the proud owner of an AR.

A couple of Daniel Defense in 5.56, a Remington R-15 VTR Predator in .223/5.56, and 15-22. As far as AR platform rifles go, I'm good.

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I say, get both.

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The best I can with what I got

Buddy and I were BS'ing about the effectiveness of the AR against tough targets. I opined that the AR probably wasn't the right tool when faced with the critters from the Alien movies. Knowing my milsurp habits, he sketched a script where the kids with the ARs were being driven back by the aliens when a voice from behind yells for them to hit the deck. They do so, and the local grizzled milsurp collector gang (starring me, naturally) open up with Garands, FN-49s, FALs, MAS 49/56s, and Hakims, wreaking havoc upon the savage beasties.

The most amazing thing is that we dreamed up all this BS without the aid of dope or alcohol.

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ARs have always been work guns to me. I have one somewhere around here, because it was a good deal.

This Model 12 riot gun would get me through any realistic scenario in which I might find myself.

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“What you got, ain’t new.”

An 870 with a 18'' barrel is all one needs. Why spend the big bucks on an AR with all the bells and whistles.

I doubt I'll have to shoot anyone past about 40 yds. If I do it's probably not going to end well for me anyway.

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That's just somebody talkin.

Just imagine what you could accomplish WITH drugs and alcohol!

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Just Say No - To Social Media

For home defense and a basic truck gun, my MP5 is probably it.

It’s minute of bad guy accurate to 100+ yards, a suppressor makes it practical for use indoors without hearing damage, and it’s smooth shooting, low recoil roller delayed blow back design and a binary trigger allows for a very controllable and high rate of fire.

If the threat is two legged and is farther away than than it’s effective range, it would be very hard to defend as a self defense situation.



If the situation required more range or more punch, I’d skip past the 5.56x45 options and opt for either my M1A or my BM59. The M1A is more accurate with longer legs, but the BM59 has better balance and handling and is a better over all battle rifle.




On the other hand, with its shimmed gas system, and when dropped into my JAE stock, my M1A is a 1 MOA capable rifle with 168 gr SMKs making it a decent DMR rifle out to 500-600 yards.

I have an AR, a Garand and sundry other Semi-autos in various calibers. These will do for long range business. The Remington USMC M870 MK 1 has a 20 inch barrel, with the rifle sights that are mounted on it, it is very accurate at 100 yards with slugs. I also have a Winchester Model 12 that was manufactured in 1918 in 12 ga. It has had the barrel cut to 18" and is my back up to the Remington. I was trained as a Combat Shotgun Instructor while in the Corps. Our courses were designed with the assistance of Jeff Cooper, Lt.Col., USMC (RET.) as were the Combat Pistol Courses that I taught.

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Indeed. Move over Spielberg.

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Funny thing is the A2's are back "in style" . This makes me a trend setter, as still have several. And 5 years later when ya remember ya have it, no batteries to go dead.

What, no Springfields or 1917 Enfields?

My one late boss used to go boating and when arriving at a place to anchor would fire a couple rounds off with a Remington 1100 Magnum for effect. When he decided to sell all of his guns I bought it.

A Smith & Wesson Sport II (Optics Ready Version) would be a safe bet for a first, or only, AR-15.

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SWCA #3279

Couldn't you find anything else to hang on that?

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I’m a shotgun Guy. While I have a few to choose from, this is my favorite. It rode in the trunk of my Patrol Car for years, so I’m pretty familiar with it.

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Beretta CX-4 9mm PCC pairs nicely with my Beretta 92s for Urban/home situations inside 50-75 yds.
AR with red dot or 1-5 scope for a longer reach
Scoped CZ American in .223/5.56 w/ a few 5rd mags as a light sniper.

Ruger 77 in .243 for a bit more punch

I would definitely attach a coffee grinder.....

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Probably something else that won't work because the battery died........

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I didn’t carry a M16, I rode so weight wasn’t a factor. The amazing thing to me was the weight. Now they have piled so much stuff on the gun that I bet a M4 goes close to M14 weight. My PSA carbine feels like a brick compared to Vietnam era m16s.
Like I said I don’t like my PSA but was interested in the new PSA on the
H&R rights they ended up with. To produce and AR retro M16a1 style.

The OP spoke of repelling boarders. That makes me think maritime activities. So I would reach for something like this…

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Then again, this might be better is more range is needed…

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Search for "The Chart" by "Tactical Yellow Visor". It is likely 10 years old in its original version, but he goes through some the specs that impact what it a "serious" AR platform (built to the AR standard; 5.56X45 chamber, etc.). I was first exposed to the Bravo Company platforms in a Pat Rogers class, and bought my first one soon after. I don't mind spending twice as much for the BCM over some other brands, in part because almost all of the knock-off variants showed malfunctions in Pat's classes.

I don't know if BCM still advertises the EAG/Pat Rogers package, but that's what mine are. Buy once, cry once. Get good quality ammo and magazines (PMags are the standard) lube it well, and drive on. Don't let the cleaning fetishists influence you; a modest 5 minute wipe down every few thousand rounds is plenty. (Search for Pat's "Filthy 14", which had well over 40K rounds through it without cleaning.)

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NHI, 10-8.

I remember the "ABC" days ......................

Armilite
Bushmaster
Colt

Had a Colt in the 90s which I "traded" to an officer to be his "patrol rifle" and got a Bushmaster. which I still have with a 1.5-4 scope. and ACE fixed stock.
My "light sniper/ designated marksman" rifle vs a Patrol Rifle with a Aimpoint PRO.

After 8 years on High School and College Rifle Teams I've still got a soft spot for Bolt guns......like the CZ 527s in .223/5.56 with detachable 5rd magazines

Funny you should mention that. I was just thinking the same thing.

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Everybody could shoot

In the early 21 century, I used a Beretta 390 "Golden Clays" for my primary Sporting Clays gun. The FM says break down and clean every 500 rounds or end of season, whichever comes first. 500 round is often less than 2 weeks in the thick of the season, so I let it go about 4 years without a break down. It went 12 to 15 thousand rounds of reloads (much dirtier than name brand factory ammo!) before the FTF's began to appear. So about 3000 rounds later I tore it all the way down. The powder fouling/powder varnish was so thick inside the cation, it was difficult to take apart, because all the wiggle room you need was full! It took around 2 weeks of "An Hour here and an Hour there" soaking and cleaning to get it clean as new. Once reassembled it needed to have a little more lube than when new, but that was at around 6oK rounds so that seems to be normal. If you only shot Winchester, Remington or Federal shotgun ammo I can see making it 40K rounds without a major cleaning!

My AR's get very little cleaning, and my two sons that are vets complain about it. Yes, even with my BCG packed with Carbon fouling, I have never had a FTF or any cycling problems. Part of that is my AR loads are with WW748 Ball Powder. (we save the Varget and IMR 3031 for bolt guns!)

(Side Note: The son that was a Paratrooper and carried an M4 only owns full sized long guns and the Marine that was issued full sized M-16 A1 & A2 only owns M4 sized ARs and short shotguns.)

Ivan

Gotta have semi-auto rate of fire against those buggers.

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They are? If that's true then it's hilarious because Smith & Wesson just finally jumped onboard the free float optics ready bandwagon with the M&P15 Sport III and discontinued the Sport II with the basic A2 front sight post.

My two favorite variations of the AR-15 are the old M-16A2 and the M4A1, namely because those were the two I saw the most of, so when I think "AR-15" it's either one of the other that comes to mind.

I'm going to have to disagree with all of this. "The Chart" is not only several years out of date, but was never entirely accurate to begin with, and Rob_s abandoned it for no better reason than getting upset by the fact that manufacturers began using it as a benchmark and referencing it to promote their products. If anything, he should have been both flattered and proud that his chart had driven the industry forward by raising the standards of quality of ARs on the civilian market, but instead he just got mad because it was being used for marketing and he couldn't monetize it because it was a publicly available document.
"The Chart" is no longer relevant because most mid-high range ARs have long since used it as a benchmark, but even low-end ARs can be updated by the end user to include the specialty TDP-approved stuff like H Buffers, MPI/HPT Bolts, etc.

Furthermore, the whole "buy once, cry once" adage just doesn't apply to the AR Market at large anymore because it has become so large that competition has driven prices down without compromising quality, so high priced ARs are more about bragging rights than actual meaningful quality increases.
When it comes to ARs, the rule of Diminishing Returns kicks in hard once you pass the $1000 mark, and after that it becomes less about purchasing a rugged, reliable, go-to-war rifle/carbine and more about aesthetics, fit, and finish. All fine stuff if you want it, but not vital in the least.

It's pretty hard to justify that the "buy once, cry once" mindset still has any merit in the AR Market when there are guys with $350 prebuilt PSAs assembled from an assortment of parts by respected brands like Colt, FN, BCM, and more.
If anything, the old adage, "buy cheap, stack deep" applies more to ARs these days because if you buy parts during sales then you can easily build upon an entry level AR and turn it into a beast by swapping out parts for better ones as time goes by.

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Shooting Comfort is bilateral.

Did you ever notice when they are making promo for autoloaders they always have a guy cranking a bolt gun overhand. Even some of the so called experts, more correctly historians , seem to have a lot of trouble jacking a bolt gun. I get a kick out of old DOD film of M1 trials where they had a guy proned out that looked like he was swimming to run an 1903.

and all legal like. do have some Rock River's and PSA upper thrown in the mix. All have chromed bores/chambers

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I used to be able to keep up pretty well with my 03A3 Springfield.

I have to admit that my fondness and preference for the M1A faded for various reasons and I moved on to ARs. However, as someone else noted, repelling boarders is a CQB operation. Thus:



Ideally, this Ithaca Model 37's barrel could be a little shorter but it should suffice.

To keep boarders from getting close enough to board is a different matter:



Bushmaster X15 ES2 - this keeps them far away!!! The only time I like a red dot is on an AR-type rifle and that's all I'll hang on there.

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Like most here, I have a few EBR's. But when I saw, "Repel Boarders", this was the first to come to mind:

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Have several older style 308's, but am getting older, not stronger. And the suckers are heavy. Most of the 308's am shooting now have bipods and use a rear bag with em.

I have a small selection that may qualify

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Put me into the "Get off my lawn" group....






To add another quote, "There ain't nuthin' a man can't fix with 700 dollars and a .30-06".

I had a young guy ask me once why all the ammo in the ready bandoleer had the bullet tips painted black. Kids these days....

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I don’t own an AR at present, but I have an old 18” 870 on hand if unpleasantness occurs. If I need more firepower than the 870 I can always grab one of my .30 Carbines. The AR is a good rifle, I get to qualify with a M4A1 every year, but the 870 is more than enough for defending my acre of ground.

One of these days I will get around to getting another AR, probably a classic one. I’d like a pre ban Colt HBar with the bayonet lug, mainly because it’s as close as I can get to the Colt M16A-2 I was issued. My old AR was an A2 Bushmaster, nice rifle, but someone offered me an absurd amount for it during the 2013 panic and I sold it.

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Wheel guns are real guns.

In Red Dawn the "boarders" are foreign invaders dropping from the sky. If the **** hits the fan, I don't think that's how it's going to happen. More like up close and personal...and dirty.

Haven’t you guys heard? All you need is a double barreled shotgun. Go out on the deck and fire two blasts up in the air...boarders repelled!

LOL...hilarious! :-)))

Since I lost my firearms in a boating accident I’ll stick to my phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range

I don't need a gun.

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