Some guns I'll always keep, no matter what.

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The first is a Winchester Model 69A .22 rifle, highly "customized" by me in my youth. At the age of 10, I was pestering my parents for a .22 rifle. My dad said I could have one when I turned 11, but I'd have to pay for half of it. Now at that time, a brand new Winchester Model 69A cost $24, so I had to raise $12. I mowed lawns, did chores, saved my 50 cents a week allowance, and finally had the dough. My dad and I went down to Pinney & Robinson's Sporting Goods store in downtown Phoenix to pick it out. I remember it was dark inside and smelled of walnut wood and gun oil. And it was packed with guns. We picked out a 69A that seemed to have the nicest stock, and the guy at the counter said he'd sight it in for 50 yards for us.

On my 11th birthday we went down to pick it up. It came broken down into the barrel and receiver and the stock groups, in a box with a heavy wire cleaning rod. Still have that cleaning rod, but the box (now worth hundreds) is long gone, thrown out by my mother (thanks Mom). I still remember retrieving the boxed gun from the back of my dad's 1947 Studebaker when we got home.

That Saturday, I fired my first shot ever with a gun. There was a high wind that day, but it didn't deter me. With the rifle's long barrel, there was way less noise than I expected. And I hit the target in spite of the wind!

Over the years I did some experimenting with the stock, modifying it from its original configuration. Although the gun has no serial number, I remember scratching "1952" under the buttplate a couple of years after I got it.

Here's a pic of me shooting that rifle at about age 15:

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And here's a pic of the rifle as it appears today:

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In later years when I was an adult and getting to be fairly knowledgeable on guns, my dad asked me what type of firearm he should get for home defense. I already had a Smith Model 28-2 6" which I enjoyed for its utility and ruggedness, and I suggested he might want to get the same model, but with a 4" barrel for handiness. He commissioned me to find one, and I did, selecting from among several at Bohm's Sporting Goods in Phoenix. This was in 1968. I purchased a set of target stocks and a trigger shoe (stylish in those days), and added them to the gun. My dad and I used to take these Model 28s out to the desert north of Phoenix and shoot them regularly.

Dad is gone now, and I inherited his revolver when he passed away in December, 1987. I have never shot it, preferring to think that the last time it was fired, my dad pulled the trigger. Here's a shot of that fine old revolver:

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And finally, my grandfather's old beat-up Smith Model 1902. He carried it in a shoulder holster when he was a country storekeeper in Crittenden, Kentucky in the early part of the 20th Century. I inherited from his wife, my grandmother, when she passed away in 1975. It shows much use and at least one re-nickeling, and that's the way I'll keep it. Here's a pic of that gun and the holster my grandfather carried it in:

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I will own these guns, no matter what, until my death. At that time, I hope one or more of my descendants will keep them and treasure them as I have.

Perhaps some of you have "keepers" such as these that stir memories of times gone by. Share them with us!
 
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:) My guns that I will never sell is first a Winchester Mod. 12
20 Ga. and a JC Higgins 22lr. Both my father gave me for
Christmas in the middle 50's. The other is a Colt Frontier Scout
I bought for $20 in the early 60's. Many years ago I did hot
bath bluing and reblued this gun. Also I made the grips. Don
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PALADIN85020,

Is there any other information or could you point towards a source of information about the Winchester 69A? I've got one that belonged to my grandfather. It looks similar to yours but doesn't have the reverse Weatherby cut to the stock forend and it does have a peep sight on it. i've also got 3 magazines for it, short, long and long rifle. I'd like to find our more about the 69A someday.

I'm like you and have a few that won't leave the family. The 69A is one along with his Winchester 12, my great grandfather's Winchester '92 and my dad's remington 740.

Thanks in advance.
 
Yeah I know how you feel. My Dad only owned two firearms that I know of. I will go to my grave before selling these, perhaps handed down to my Grandson if he shows the respect also.
 
I've got three generations of shotguns. My great grandfather's .410 Iver Johnson single shot, my grandfather's 20 gauge bolt action JC Higgins, and my Dad's Browning A-5 Light Twelve automatic that he bought new in 1957, and it is still IMMACULATE, even after thousands of pheasant hunts in Michigan in the fifties and sixties. Dad is still alive and the caretaker of these, but I will NEVER sell them. He also has a little 642-2 Airweight that he bought about four years ago after my Mom died, and he was at home alone at night. That gun hasn't been shot yet, just loaded in his nightstand. It too, is priceless to me and will not be sold.
 
Great story paladin. I havea bunch of my dad's guns. Here's two. A 1955 Savage Featherweight 243 with hand carved stock by my dad in the early 60's. And the same old pic. of me and his prized pre 64 Winchester 88 he got in 1964. I have a ton of ammo for this one.
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The Ruger 10/22 I've had since I was a child, definitely over 20 years. I don't own these yet but eventually I'll inherit my father's guns, some of which he inherited, 1 of which goes back to my great grandfather.
 
I just know I'm going to end up with my dad's Colt Mark IV Series 70 because it always ejects right onto my forehead.
 
I'm jealous. The only "family gun" we had was Grandpa's Iver Johnson Champion 410, that Mama said her brothers kept the family fed with during the Depression (probably by poaching). When Grandpa died that went to my older brother, who has since given it to his son.

Paladin - that white-line spacer on your 22. Clorox bottle? That's what I used on my first 22. Worked real good.
 
Geez you gonna make me post this again?

Been up several times, but the one gun I have that will be buried (or melted) with me is the very 1st new gun, and very 1st 44mag Smith I ever bought. I got it when I was 18...took months to pay it off at the gun store I worked at. At times it has been the ONLY gun in my collection.

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Started life as a 6" 29-3 which I have long since "Skeeterized" by cutting the barrel to 5". Eventually it will have a set of Keith Brown "Ropers" and an engraving job.
 
These two. Got them both from the same guy, they belonged to his dad. The Luger was carried by his dad when he flew mail planes in the late twenties.

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Like Curtis said, "Geez you gonna make me post this again?" lol

I've got my great grandfather's SAA, Lightning, and 12ga sxs shotgun that he brought with him when he came to the Oklahoma Territory in 1901. They may be passed down to one of my nephews or my daughter some day, but they will never be sold. Mom's got a .410 Mossberg that Dad bought for her 35 years ago, for home protection because he was away from home weeknights working. When I get that one, I won't let go of it, either. I can't see a reason for selling the Remington Apache 77 I bought for myself when I was 16, either, but it may be passed down before I die.
 
No pics of any of these, but...
My grandfathers S&W Aircrewman he carried in the front bib pocket of his overalls for as long as I knew him, and the 2 Remington shotguns we hunted rabbits with. He taught me most everything I know about guns, safety, shooting and the woods. I miss him dearly.

My dads Remington targetmaster 22 bolt rifle. I have fired thousands of rounds through that rifle and it still will out shoot most modern 22's.

And lastly, a 73 Winchester 38WCF made in 1913. I bought it from a little pawnshop near here years ago. I stumbled on it one day and talked to the elderly lady that owned the place about it for a long while and she made me a price. Over the next few months I stopped by several times to look at it and dream, it was priced MUCH higher than I could afford. I always hung around and chatted with her a bit before I left. Finally I stopped one day and we were talking and she asked how much cash I had on me right then....I thought for a moment and told her. She said that amount, minus 50 bux, was the price for the Winchester for that day only. I almost ripped my pants getting the money out. I asked why her price was suddenly half of what she had told me earlier. She explained that she was selling out and moving away soon and wanted the rifle to go to someone who would appreciate it and not just try to turn it for a quick buck, and that she enjoyed my visits because I was respectful and nice to her. I think about her now, almost 10 years later, whenever I pull her uncles old rifle out.
 
Alpo,

Yes, the white line spacer on my 69A was cut from a Clorox bottle, slightly oversize, and trimmed with a sharp knife. Good eye!

2000Z-71,

There isn't much written information today on the 69 series of Winchester rifles, but in collecting them, I've gleaned a little information here and there - here are the high points:

The original 69 rifle was first put on the market around 1935. It had a cocking knob much like the 1903 Springfield on the rear of the bolt, and cocked on closing.

The rifle was modified around 1937 to cock on opening, eliminating the cocking knob. The new bolt gave a very fast lock time, one of the best for rifles of that era, or any era for that matter. The gun remained essentially unchanged until it was discontinued around 1964.

Several different versions were offered. The standard grade had an open rear sight and a simple bead front sight. This is the model my father and I bought in 1950.

The Target model had a Winchester stamped peep sight and a ramp front sight which utilized a stamped sheet metal ramp which was removable.

The Match model was drilled and tapped for, and used commercial target micrometer sights and a front sight with removable inserts for target work. There was no provision for an open sight on the barrel (no dovetail cut there). It had sling swivels, as well. Sling swivels could be special ordered or installed on other models as well.

Somewhere in the mid 1950s, the receiver was grooved for tip-off scope mounts. These command a premium today on the used gun market. About this time, some of the guns were drilled and tapped for commercial micrometer sights.

Several different styles of stock were used over the years, differing in the width and length of the fore-end. Some were tapered forward at the nose (these were a bit shorter than the others). Some were thin and rounded at the nose, and some were very thick and rounded, like those seen on most target guns. Some were relieved around the area where the rear sight drilling and tapping was in place. All of the Winchester peep sights required this relief cut.

I modified the stock on my original rifle with a reverse "Weatherby style" cut, and worked on the comb and pistol grip a bit also. I shouldn't have done it, but it reflects my youthful zeal to tinker with things.

An outgrowth of the Model 69A was the Model 75 target rifle and Model 75 Sporter. Both have the same action as the Model 69A; the bolts are identical. I have a Model 75 sporter and it's the most accurate .22 I own. The barrel is shorter than the 25-inch barrel found on the 69A.

There was also a Model 72, which was essentially a Model 69A with an underbarrel tube feed. The bolts on these are a bit different to accomodate the different feed system.

There were several types of magazines. The standard mag fed five .22 LR, .22 long, and .22 shorts interchangeably. There was a five-shot.22 short mag also. The single shot mag (actually a grooved platform at the top of what appeared as a standard mag) was principally used for the Model 52 and Model 75 sporters, but it would also work in the 69A. A 10-shot curved magazine which projected below the stock was also made, and took all lengths of cartridges. Magazines with an underlined "W" on the base are modern non-Winchester reproductions. Genuine Winchester mags will have the company stamp on the base plate.

I have what may be the one and only Model 69A Deluxe. It was specially ordered by an old gentleman who lived near the Winchester factory in New Haven, CT. It has a pistol grip topped by a black plastic cap with the Winchester name on it, and has checkering on the forestock and the pistol grip. The finish on the stock is superb. It is grooved for scope mounts, no serial number except a "1" stamped on the right receiver opening rail. I have never heard of another, although some might exist. A collector bought the rifle from the old man's estate, and I bought it from him. It appears unfired. Its estimated date of manufacture is 1952. It has the standard open sights. It's sure not a "gunsmith project" but appears factory done in all respects.

The only problem I find with the 69A is the lack of an overtravel adjustment. The letoff is crisp, but there's a lot of overtravel. A trigger shoe with a limiting screw can solve that problem. Weight of pull is adjustable to some degree; there is a screw cap over the trigger spring that can be moved up and down to alter the pull weight. To get an even nicer pull in the 2-3 lb. range is possible with some gunsmithing, which I have done, but will not describe here, as the potential for a dangerous pull is there.

Some time in the mid 1950s, the bolt handle was changed from straight to swept back, somewhat like that on the Model 70 rifle. It looked nicer, but as the bolt handle was two-piece, the joint tended to loosen with use. This made the bolt handle wobbly. It can be fixed with staking or soldering. Some bolts had firing spring caps that were chrome plated, and some bolts had the handle plated as well. I find no pattern that is consistent with respect to dates of manufacture.

A small item is that the pin which retains the firing pin spring cap tended to work loose, and had to be tapped back in place as one saw it project from the rear of the bolt. Winchester replaced that pin in later production with one which had a reduced-diameter section in the middle. The spring fit into that section and secured the pin from walking.

Most 69As in decent shape can be had for $300-$400 today if you can find one. Most desirable are those with scope grooves.

I learned about guns from that first rifle. I learned to take it completely apart, and and once lost one of the extractor pins. I made a replacement from the prong on a school drawing compass, and it remains in the gun to this day. Works fine.

This is about all I can tell you about the 69A rifle. I hope it helps to fill in the blanks for you.

John
 
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Matched pair of Colt SAA .45's. Rebuilt. 1920 & 1957 vintage. Engraved and nickled. 4 3/4" with old Sambar stags. They ride a fancy homemade buscadero double rig. I watched too many B-westerns I guess.
 
One gun that I own that will never be gotten rid of is my maternal Grandfathers 1905 Colt Army Special in .38 Spl. It's still a good shooting revolver and means a lot to me. My dad recently passed away and I inherited his guns but he only owned 2 guns-a Taurus 606 snubby .357 and a Mossberg 12 gauge pump. Nothing collectible but they were his and will stay with me.
 
My Greatgrand fathers 1897 pump, my first rifle Remington 581LH .22lr, my first pistol I bought Browning BDA380, Walther KKJ .22lr, Manurhin/Walther PPK/s .22lr, S&W revolvers 624-4", 624-3", 67, 18-3.
M1 Garand SA, M1 Carbine Inland, 1903A3 SC. SA USGI SS 1911A1.
 
Very nice to look back through time PALADIN. Times were a lot simpler back then ........
Although a few years younger than you, I do remember the TV show Paladin :)
 
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