Bill Ruger vs. John Moses Browning

Snapping Twig said:
Ruger was better at marketing
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I beg to differ from that opinion.

Browning was a fair businessman, and figured out finally that he wasn't getting his fair shake from the boys at the big red "W," and finally went to find someone else to throw his designs to in Remington, and FN.

Quite a feat, considering that was before telephones, airplanes and T. Edison's inventions hit the scene.
 
Wrong, Giz.
Read up on it. I'm not saying he invented the lever action- just the good ones. A 66/73/76 type and the guns with vertical locking bolts are quite different in design, and the verticals are JMB all alone. He did not tweak anything but his own designs.

After Winch found the SS, and hunted Browning down and bought the rights, JMB saw an ongoing opportunity. He kept designing guns, and taking them to Winchester. They bought the ones they wanted, and bought the ones they did not want to keep others from getting them!

He took Win the A-5, and they finally turned down a design, thinking the public had no interest. He had ridden a train to take it to them. He decided to take it to Rem. While he waited in the office to see the pres, Hartley (the pres) died of a heart attack!
He simply wired home he would be gone longer than he had forseen, and bought a steamer ticket to Europe to take it to FN, whom he had dealt with on pistols.
They made the A-5 for him, and Browning Arms was truly born with that gun.
 
Lee,

You know me....it's the weekend. I just want to get folks thinkin' about all the things they think they know.

Who finalized the design for the Browning Hi-Power?


giz
 
Good point re: Bill Ruger and the SAA.... The Blackhawk was the six-gun Uncle Elmer had been nattering Colt to build for 30-odd years; read Elmer Keith's work. Keith was one of the first to advocate coilsprings, adjustable sights and a frame-mounted firing pin. As nice as a hammer mounted pin looks, you will always have the risk of pierced primers more so than with a frame-mounted firing pin.

Thought:

How many .454 Casull Colt SAAs have you ever seen?
 
gizamo said:
Lee,

You know me....it's the weekend. I just want to get folks thinkin' about all the things they think they know.

Who finalized the design for the Browning Hi-Power?


giz
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Don't know his name, but he was a staff engineer/designer at FN.
 
It's an apples to oranges comparison. One was a mechanical genius, the other copied others designs and made a reputation on selling an inferior product through sensationalised advertising. Of course that's just my opinion and others may not agree.
 
I'll go to my grave wondering which worthless SOB of a room-mate stole my dad's Auto-5 from under my bed while at college. If I figure out who it was on the other side, I just wonder what the exchange will be? ;)
 
John Browning had to be the greatest individual firearms designer ever. He had an ability to innovate and design that I don't think anyone can be fairly compared to. He found new and better ways to make old ideas work and came up with more totally new ideas than anyone I can think of. His designs have lasted to this day and are copied all over the world. There have been a lot of talented minds in firearms design but most are noted for, at best, a few brilliant ideas. No one else covered as broad a field of design as he did. Lever actions, slide actions, recoil operation, gas operation, improving an existing design or coming up with something completely new, he was a genius.
 
Pepsi vs. Coke Drew...

Sometimes we have to question what we all repeat...;)
You missed a great day at the club. Cush and I had a guest... George (SlashCat) showed up. He kicked butt with his 1911 Kimber. Really was on his game...

Weather was great and we had a good time. You and the boy's should try to make it up this Spring.


giz
 
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gizamo said:
Introduced in 1935...
by Dieudonné Saive at Fabrique Nationale (FN) of Herstal, Belgium

JM Browning died in 1926....


giz
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Keep reading. :D
Find the ..............help me out guys- going on memory..... the Mod 1922???

The P-35 would probably have been a BETTER pistol if JM had lived. He was going for striker fired, which made a much better dirt/mud sealed pistol, and does not have the disturbance of hammer fall.
He also was not apparently big on mag safeties, which I abhor. I'd rather have a single shot pistol (lacking a mag) than a very poorly shaped blackjack.
 
Ruger didnt do much in the way of advancement.
Yes, he sold alot of guns but he didnt really design them.
Browning did design guns. his vision allowed him to see a firearm in a few chunks of 4140 bar stock that no one had ever seen before.
Ruger could not do this.
as innovators go Ruger played it safe, he seems to have stayed away from innovation, which is fine. Charles Garrand, Pederson, Mauser, Samuel Colt, and our beloved Horace and Dan did all that for him
 
JMB hands down.
i think its on the order of about 130 guns he designed/patented ?

and he covered all bases. handguns ? 1911 and hi-power how many millions in service ?

machine guns ? 1919, BAR, ma deuce ?

lever guns ? all the nice winchesters? how many tens of millions made in various models ?

shotguns ? lever shotguns still being used by CAS guys, Auto 5 in production for 90 years, he pioneered the over under shotgun in the superposed. pump shotguns ? win 1897

semi auto sporting ? model 8 rems ?

single shot rifles ?

please. and how many calibers did he develop for his guns ?
 
gizamo said:
Pepsi vs. Coke Drew...

giz
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You know me Bro.... I only drink Branch Water or maybe Birch Beer. :)

I could use a break.... Between "Green Methods", "LEED", and "Woman / Minority Owned" the Construction Business for the Gov. is really kicking my ass.....

Think I need to shoot somethin'....

Drew
 
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