For HD and limited carry for SD, I use 180 gr. Rem. JHP bought at Wal-Mart. They are not fashionable. But, they are affordable. I can shoot them enough to know where they hit and how they recoil, etc., in my G-22. If a bad situation arises, I don't expect any round to produce a one-shot stop. I plan on shooting until the threat is stopped. I do not expect to be shooting through cars/walls. I figure the 180gr. JHP will do what is needed. If and when I can find some more up to date type ammo at an affordable price, I may transition.