Obama's new plan?

[scha]

Obama]Obama To Unveil Gun Control Reforms In Near Future To Unveil Gun Control Reforms In Near Future

 

[Martya]

Yep, here we go again. Some nut does something bad with a gun and they blame the law-abiding citizens. Will they EVER get it right?

One of the replies:
"The President has to reform gun control in a sensible way that increases public safety. It is good he is doing it through executive action as it would otherwise not get through Congress and his actions will take effect immediatel­y. The gun show loophole is so wide one could drive a tank through it."

Just, WOW!

 

[badguybuster]

God help us.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Using executive orders specifically because the subject cannot pass in the legislative process is indicative of the level of arrogance among modern American liberals, aka: "progressives". This sort of thinking can only lead to an imperial presidency and serious damage to the concepts of a rule of law and individual liberties.

While I am not at all surprised, I am certainly concerned.

 

[walnutred]

It's never been about crime control, gun control has historicaly been about people control.

 

[photoman]

Gun control is not about guns, it's about control.

 

[timpitera]

How about: all the people who voted for him should turn in their guns?

 

[redlevel]

He (Obama) is walking a tightrope here. He has to try to pacify his base. Progressives are pretty disgruntled with him now because he hasn't done a lot of the things he promised them he would do. He has to "do something" to keep them satisfied. On the other hand, he knows gun control legislation is a non-starter right now. Democrats were whipped like rented mules in the last election and they certainly don't want to be forced to support unpopular legislation before the 2012 election. My own Congress critter is a prime example. He is a liberal, in a pretty conservative district. Sanford Bishop knows that if he lost his NRA "A" rating, it would be the kiss of death for him. He barely squeaked by a fairly weak opponent this time.

 

[kewpie]

Barry Sotero seems to have been behind this (from 3/2009) ..........


YouTube - ‪Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious‬‏


And this might be interesting to some:

http://nachumlist.com/gunrunner.htm

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I've deleted a few posts and issued Warnings.


REMINDER:

Rule#6. Derogatory, CRUDE names for any government official will NOT be tolerated.
Respect the OFFICE, if not the holder.

 

[raven818]

I might as well get in another two cents.

There was a LOT of noise coming from "them" about obscene gun-running to Mexico because it was to easy for American citizens to buy long guns. Remember? Almost ALL the weapons being used by the Mexican thugs were American made...huh...huh?

When is the last time you've heard anything about this? I'll tell you when it was, right before Fox News started demanding daily that someone better begin stating the facts to the American public, and the Mexican government, about all the weapons the Federal government sent to Mexico via known weapon smugglers. And who set it all up.

The conspiracy, IMO, was to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the guns were American made, waaaay to easy for us to buy them and sell them for a profit. So they had to do something immediately to stop us from owning long guns....Well, if I'm anywhere near right, it appears the plan had a major problem.

It's not us getting their guns. The orders to make sure the thugs have the guns they want came from way up the line. And to nobody's surprise, they are refusing to disclose who
the responsible party( parties ) are... Not Me..uh, me either, nope, wasn't me..etc. etc. etc.

That was the last time you heard any demands regarding additional firearm regulations. And you won't hear it again until somebody in D.C.becomes the designated fall-guy for this unbelievable Faux-pas..............

 

[Steve in Vermont]

Let's take a deep breath and realize Obama's plate is full with so many more important issues (and his re-election) that gun control will be so low on his list that it will barely register. This is just another promise to his "base" that will go nowhere. Relax and enjoy the summer.

 

[Climber]

We do need to keep one thing in mind if nothing else.....Refer to U.S. Constitution, Article II. This is where the president gets his authority. There is nothing in this article about "Executive Orders", no way, no how. Yes, I know that most presidents use them to do a quicky end run around congress but there is absolutly no Constitutional authority for them. The president has no law making authority, as the Founders intended.

Because of the mandate and guarantee of the second article of the Bill of Rights that we now call the Second Amendment...."the Right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" solidly puts individual firearm ownership beyond the purview of government at any level.

So, my fellow patriots my arguement is this, we need to hide behind the Constitution and stay there. Our arguement must start and end from a position of strength and principle beginning and ending with our Constitutional protections. Anything else may prove solicitious and spurious, lending tacit acceptance or approval to their false and unconstitutional arguement and thereby giving them and their actions a false standing.

My message to "them" is this....If my gun offends, be offended. Come and get them if you think you can. I will never surrender my firearms. "They" may take them by force and once that line is crossed I will consider it as it is intended, an open declaration of war against the American people. There are many like me throughout this great nation that will not back down or away on this issue. "They" have a huge problem on their hands and "they" know this. "They" best concern themselves with other things.

My friends, I am not looking for a fight but I fear that in due time that fight may find us all.

God save our Republic.

 

[firearmsunlimited]

You mean he actually has a plan?

 

[J D Allen]

obama and his BS

It is time that we show 1600 pennsylvania ave. Just what we think of his gun bill. We should rally around the white house , much like custers last stand, with our rifles and shotguns. This will get their attention. Just imagine 500 thousand people outside with rifles. pretty damn scary! Just like George Washington wanted it.

 

[J D Allen]

truth

We do need to keep one thing in mind if nothing else.....Refer to U.S. Constitution, Article II. This is where the president gets his authority. There is nothing in this article about "Executive Orders", no way, no how. Yes, I know that most presidents use them to do a quicky end run around congress but there is absolutly no Constitutional authority for them. The president has no law making authority, as the Founders intended.

Because of the mandate and guarantee of the second article of the Bill of Rights that we now call the Second Amendment...."the Right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" solidly puts individual firearm ownership beyond the purview of government at any level.

So, my fellow patriots my arguement is this, we need to hide behind the Constitution and stay there. Our arguement must start and end from a position of strength and principle beginning and ending with our Constitutional protections. Anything else may prove solicitious and spurious, lending tacit acceptance or approval to their false and unconstitutional arguement and thereby giving them and their actions a false standing.

My message to "them" is this....If my gun offends, be offended. Come and get them if you think you can. I will never surrender my firearms. "They" may take them by force and once that line is crossed I will consider it as it is intended, an open declaration of war against the American people. There are many like me throughout this great nation that will not back down or away on this issue. "They" have a huge problem on their hands and "they" know this. "They" best concern themselves with other things.

My friends, I am not looking for a fight but I fear that in due time that fight may find us all.

God save our Republic.

AMEN ! And pass the bullets !

 

[raven818]

It is time that we show 1600 pennsylvania ave. Just what we think of his gun bill. We should rally around the white house , much like custers last stand, with our rifles and shotguns. This will get their attention. Just imagine 500 thousand people outside with rifles. pretty damn scary! Just like George Washington wanted it.

For us to respond with anything near that, even as a small group, would be the end for everyone who believes in the strength of the 2nd amendment. "They" would give everything they could get to have gun rights advocates show up on capital hill, or anywhere for that matter, with threats of violence and guns in hand.

Power does not, and will never come from the use of force in this Country. Those who believe in what we do, would rightfully join forces against anyone trying to prove a point with a gun in their hand.

 

[NKJ nut]

Well I do declare; this thread could go political for a little. Or even downright insurrectionist. If that happened it would get a padlock clicked on it.

Just saying; it seems like the topic has went a bit far to be considered a strictly 2A issue.

 

[NFrameFred]

Let's take a deep breath and realize Obama's plate is full with so many more important issues (and his re-election) that gun control will be so low on his list that it will barely register. This is just another promise to his "base" that will go nowhere. Relax and enjoy the summer.

Just so. But therein lies the crux of the matter. If he can put it off and play both sides to gain re-election, then as a lame duck pres he can do what he wants by executive order and it will take years to undo the damage. That has been my prediction from the start. It's whistling past the graveyard to believe the issue is a non-starter . . . .

 

[Hoplophile]

It's a no-brainer for the president. He's not going to get the serious gun owners' vote anyway, so why use use executive orders to by-pass Congress? Please his base and not lose votes in the process.

But there are limits as to what he can do with EOs. And Congress can step up and "just say no." Be an interesting test of the Republican House's commitment to gun owners.