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Play the video, which features Australian actress Lara Cox portraying a homeless woman, to raise public conciousness of their plight. Lara has also done a World Wildlife Fund commercial on behalf of the wombat. You may recognize her from such roles as Finn on, "The Lost World" or as the wife of the hero in, "The Marine 2" of which trailers are on the Net. The music is the lovely, "The First Time Ever I saw Your Face." She doesn't speak here, but can fake a US accent really well. In many of her roles, she's had to. But I really like her natural accent. Some of you may have seen her in a Lunesta commercial made in the US a few years ago. She originally wanted to teach, and is taking college classes in social work, to do if she leaves acting. I suspect that she donated her time and talent for this short film.

How do you feel about the homeless?

As a part-time security officer protecting an upscale mixed retail and professional center, I sometimes see them late at night. Some appear to be genuinely dangerous, quite probably real loonies. Other evoke compassion, although the police with whom I interact universally condemn them and try to run them off, as is necessary in that area. They tell me that most WANT to be homeless, and that many can get free meds for their conditions, but refuse to take them. Others are alcoholics or drug abusers.

I know one homeless guy who just can't find a job. When he does, it doesn't last, because he has a self centered attitude (often a little gruff and abrasive) and insists on wearing a scruffy beard and never getting a haircut. He's a relative, and I've offered to take him to my barber and pay, but he refuses. His appearance is some "statement" that he insists on making. His fantasy is to be one of those eccentric looking lawyers. I guess he thinks that's the look to have, in that role. :rolleyes:

But I'm sure that some are on the streets just because they lost a job and can't find another. Some whole families have been victims of the economy.

How do you feel about these people, and what is the right solution for them, those willing to be helped? Should shelters be built for them? Where? They'd unquestionably diminish the neighborhoods where housed. Maybe they could be accomodated in existing public housing, if more such units were available. But those are hardly wonderful places, and I'm sure the neighbors have issues with the residents. Still, they are a fact. Expanding the residents might help. I really think that screening applicants could help those willing to better themselves, if given a chance.

I hope this won't be seen as a political post. It isn't meant that way. More as a philosophical issue, I guess.
 
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A lot of the homeless around here are mentally ill. Very obviously so. Not sure what to do about that. Lock 'em up? Force feed 'em meds? Leave them be? Offer em basic services - place to eat and shower, etc?

I was shocked to read 168 homeless died on Auston streets last year. I had no idea it was so many.
 
A lot of the homeless around here are mentally ill. Very obviously so. Not sure what to do about that. Lock 'em up? Force feed 'em meds? Leave them be? Offer em basic services - place to eat and shower, etc?

I was shocked to read 168 homeless died on Auston streets last year. I had no idea it was so many.

How many died who weren't on the streets?
 
I recall an article in the New York Times a few years ago, it was about an individual who joined the ranks of the homeless-he was living with his sister until he stole the television to buy crack.
I am always skeptical about claims of "mental illness". Ronald George, the now retired Chief Justice of California was the Superior Court judge who presided over the trial of the Hillside Stranglers. He answered those who said those two were insane and needed treatment by saying:
"Why should we label as insane someone who refuses to live by society's rules?" And what was it Oscar Wilde said ?-"Work is the curse of the drinking class."
Meanie that I am, my solution would be something on the order of "Camp for Re-education through Labor No. 7."
 
Most of the homeless (I've met a few that were actually down on their luck) that I have come across in the course of my duties and personally were highly dangerous. I have had them try to get into my vehicle at intersections (I always keep my door locked) and sometime try to jump in the back bed of my pickup.

Many of these people panhandle and are aggressive and intimidating. They also have a preditory instinct seeking out the elderly or the very young. Several I have handled would not hesitate to kill you or at the very least assault you. Some of these people are under a hundred pounds and yet can throw three or four 200+ Police officers around like rag dolls...I've seen it....I've been involved in it...and probably quite a few on this board will attest to this activity from experience as well.

Are they all mentally ill? There are more than a few that are. Most I have met were strung out on whatever narcotic they could get their hands on.
 
A bunch are alkies, too. One of the most telling scenes in that (linked) video is one where Lara is squinting down the neck of the wine bottle, hoping to see another drop for her to drink.

She means to raise consciousness to help the homeless, but you might be killed or robbed if you help! Or catch a staph infection.

I strongly suspect that most who ask for food money spend it on cheap wine or drugs. And I believe that some people disguise themselves as homeless and beg for a living.
 
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I worked for a "community mental health provider", here in Florida for almost a dozen years. The homeless were probably 1/3 of the clientele along with the other 2/3 "chronically mentally ill" who would have been locked up before the passage of the "Community Mental Health Act" during the Kennedy administration. These folks are indistinguishable from each other and "risk assessment" is a real nightmare. I could work with a male or female over a long period of time, growing comfortable with their predictability. Sometimes, after long periods of medication compliance, they would pronounce themselves well and stop all medication. Decompensation is never pretty and sometimes dangerous. The cops do what they can but are not trained or equipped to handle a full blown "crisis." They wind up in the "justice" system and go round and round, burning any bridges along the way. Landlords don't want tenants shouting at imaginary attackers at 3 in the morning. It's a mess and will get messier as these folks are "0 sum net gain" and part of the reason Social Security is broke (almost all qualify for a lifetime check, either SSDI or SSI). Can't help from feeling sympathy but I also can't handle the burnout of working with that "population" long term. TS; be kind, be careful. Joe
 
The ones that are mentally ill, I don't know. But the ones that are just dirtbags who won't, not can't, work because of drugs, alcohol, and bad attitudes aren't diseases in my book, should just be put into work camps. Why must I put up with the hassle of locking door and rolling up windows? Why should children and elderly have to fear them? If they wanted to go be free in the wilderness then there is still a lot of untamed land out there to disappear into. But no, that isn't what they want at all. They still want civilization despite not wanting to be a contributor to it. They want to be leaches on society. There are enough programs out there for those that actually want the help to get it and get back on their feet. I just feel that we have such a mass amount of populace that is more than happy living off scraps and assistance or thievery that it is finally starting to hit home on more than ever before. Those I have no sorrow or pity for them. Leaches.
 
I know enough about Lara Cox that I believe that she made this short film in earnest hope that some good would come of it, and I believe that the film maker feels that way, although he may also have been striving for publicity and for some award. Don't know anything about him, except that he knows how to make a film that makes its point! But is it altogether the point that he thinks he's making?! How did this once lovely girl come to be living in that alley, dumpster diving for lunch? I keep seeing her plight beginning with drugs or alcoholism. People must avoid obviously bad life choices, or they become the source of their own ruin!

I wonder how many celebs who do such charity work have actually dealt with the hardcore homeless? A battered woman who flees a bad "home" situation has other options with womens' centers and other charity that I suspect that they are relatively few among the overall homeless population.

Some probably come from backgrounds that predestine them to dismal lives. I feel compassion for them, but don't want to turn my back on them, in the literal sense.

I just wish there was a way to sort out the truly unfortunate and help them to get back on their feet. A great many are barely a paycheck or two away from the streets.
 
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I have dealt with the homeless and they are not as bad off as one would think.

Two were arrested in this area last year. Both did newspaper interviews after arrest. These guys were panhandling and making over a GRAND each day holding signs saying homeless & hungry. That is tax free money which is a lot more than I make.

Most of the homeless I have dealt with are that way by choice. They have relatives but family members are tired of their substance abuse, destructive tempers and such.

Virtually all homeless are that way by choice.
 
I used to work off duty at a homeless shelter. Worked a lot and got to be really good friends with many of the shelter employees. Also met a lot of people I ran into on the street there. A LOT of them want to blame others for their predicament, do drugs, drink, or otherwise not conform to society's rules. SOME are mentally ill....in my experience, they are the in the minority. I think it also should be said, that there are those that are used to it, and are perfectly fine with how they live.
 
This happened about 15 years ago. I worked across the hall from a small machine shop. One of the machinists, “Ron” was into gambling. He was a GS11 step 8 at the time and making pretty good money. He and his wife divorced and they had to sell their duplex. The only problem was that they had taken out home equity loans and spent it all on a time share in Tahoe, trips to Hawaii, a new car, etc. Now they owed the IRS money for capital gains and Ron did not have it. He also owed money to local loan sharks because of his gambling debt. He came to work bruised up a few times. About that time the Hatch act was changed to allowing garnishing the wages of a Federal employee and I guess the IRS started attaching his wages. This is speculation on my part but it makes sense because the lazy AH just quit coming to work. It took a year to fire him and the last time he was seen by anyone at work he was holding up a will work for food sign on a freeway onramp. He just threw his life away and gave up a very good job.
 
I have dealt with the homeless and they are not as bad off as one would think.

Two were arrested in this area last year. Both did newspaper interviews after arrest. These guys were panhandling and making over a GRAND each day holding signs saying homeless & hungry. That is tax free money which is a lot more than I make.

Most of the homeless I have dealt with are that way by choice. They have relatives but family members are tired of their substance abuse, destructive tempers and such.

Virtually all homeless are that way by choice.

Thank you. I was starting to think I was the only one here that sees this.
 
I used to work off duty at a homeless shelter. Worked a lot and got to be really good friends with many of the shelter employees. Also met a lot of people I ran into on the street there. A LOT of them want to blame others for their predicament, do drugs, drink, or otherwise not conform to society's rules. SOME are mentally ill....in my experience, they are the in the minority. I think it also should be said, that there are those that are used to it, and are perfectly fine with how they live.

I want to add to this thought. I was USN for ten years. It was a great time of my life that I will never regret. But part of why I left was I found it real hard to live the institutionalized life style of shipboard life or the year long sandbox tour. But SO MANY guys eat it up. And I don't mean the guys who retire... No, I mean the guys that will stay at E1 for the max time. Then they go ahead and take the promotion each time it was required. I met many E5's the were happy with there little check and a bunk. And I don't mean so much to belittle that as just use it as an example that some people just don't have deep aspirations of greatness. At all. So I can see how sleeping where they want, begging, rooting, the occasional theft or roughing up of someone could be an appealing lifestyle for some. And I just disagree with society being forced to put up with them. They prey on your emotions, your good will, your desire to help, and when they don't get what they want most of them get ugly and persistent. The hippie socialist pinkos will try to remind me that this is a free country. Yes it is. But that doesn't mean you are free to be a detriment to those around you. I guess being able to run some undesirable out of town no longer being an option is a sign of "progress" as some see it. I don't. I think we've slipped and let too many sink to levels they didn't know were an option. And before I go all evil tyrannical dictator, all it takes for me to ignore you is for you to not be a pestilence to society at large. If you have simple goals and pleasure in life then so be it. Rent a trailer, pay your little bit of taxes from your low level job, and be happy. But don't be a leach to everyone around you. :mad:
 
I didn't know that strip malls had private security.

Shrug. There's different categories and only some have been mentioned. There are entire families that live out of cars and hotel rooms. A fair number of vets from the current wars are also already finding themselves homeless. There's probably a fair amount of truth to the pop statistic that most people are only a few paychecks away from seeing themselves on the street.

There are also bums, crazies, etc. They used to break into some of our buildings, pull the asbestos down off the pipes to wrap up in and go to sleep. I guess asbestos makes a fine blankey.

I always found the retarded (or whatever the PC name for them is) that lived in the group home nearby my own personal condemned crackhouse that I called home (yes really) to be more of a problem. Several of them were quite large and always tried to rob me or shake me down as I'd pass by. I dreaded the paperwork and bad PR of having to shoot one, so I took to throwing them Canadian coins to scamper for.
 
No, I mean the guys that will stay at E1 for the max time. Then they go ahead and take the promotion each time it was required. I met many E5's the were happy with there little check and a bunk. And I don't mean so much to belittle that as just use it as an example that some people just don't have deep aspirations of greatness. At all.
My wife is a more or less permanent E-5. She actually has a Master's Degree almost completed. Staying an E-5 can have as much to do with what your job is in the Navy as anything else.
 
No, I mean the guys that will stay at E1 for the max time. Then they go ahead and take the promotion each time it was required. I met many E5's the were happy with there little check and a bunk. And I don't mean so much to belittle that as just use it as an example that some people just don't have deep aspirations of greatness. At all.
My wife is a more or less permanent E-5. She actually has a Master's Degree almost completed. Staying an E-5 can have as much to do with what your job is in the Navy as anything else.

And clearly she is not to whom I am referring. I am curious though, what rate locks down and she has a masters but isn't applying for a LDO, CWO, or the Seaman to Admiral Program??? Seems like with a masters someone would want to scoop her up.
 
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