APB M&P Sport

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If anyone knows of the whereabouts of a new M&P sport could you pm me to let me know where it is? I can find them locally for 700 bucks. The price would have to be in the low 600 dollar mark to make it worth shipping.

Thanks for the help

Gary

 

[SSgt M]

Seems every where is sold out. Even the good online shops, lots of CA legal out there,

 

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Yep. Funny I found three locally. All the shops want 700 bucks for them. I guess that's why they still have them. LOL I really like the Sport but not sure about 700 bucks worth.

If I can't find a sport for a reasonable amount I guess I'll go with the PSA or maybe a build. I can get a CMMG stripped lower for 115 otd. The rest is kinda up in the air. Who makes the best stuff for the price. I was looking at a Del-Ton kit I found for 479, I think. The build would put it at just about the same price as the PSA. Don't know who's quality is better.

 

[JaPes]

Yep. Funny I found three locally. All the shops want 700 bucks for them. I guess that's why they still have them. LOL I really like the Sport but not sure about 700 bucks worth.

I hear ya bro. The 15-Sport was the overlooked gem in the lineup. More of us bought them, found out how good they actually are, and opened our big mouths

Used to be they were easy to find. Now, not so much.

If I can't find a sport for a reasonable amount I guess I'll go with the PSA or maybe a build. I can get a CMMG stripped lower for 115 otd. The rest is kinda up in the air. Who makes the best stuff for the price. I was looking at a Del-Ton kit I found for 479, I think. The build would put it at just about the same price as the PSA. Don't know who's quality is better.

Don't know about Del-Ton, but I've heard nothing but good things about PSA. You can buy a stripped lower from PSA, then buy a rifle kit.

1. Buy the lower on a separate transaction from the rest of the rifle parts. When you buy them together, the supplier is obliged to charge an 11% federal excise tax.

2. If you think you'll ever sell the rifle you build, purchase the stripped lower & complete upper from the same manufacturer. It makes it easier to resell.

For the same budget as a 15-Sport, you can build a good rifle. I know because I did it.

If you have any other questions, build or complete rifle, just ask.

 

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JaPas

Thanks I do have a few questions. If you were goin to start another build where would you start for an upper? The problem I have run into is even the manufacturers are out of parts. I found through an on line retailer that some parts are still available. Anyway what do you suggest? Also if you buy the complete rifle do you have to pay the tax or is it just on the parts?

I was told today the he had heard Smith got a pretty big contract from the gov and diverted quite a bit of the manufacturing to the contract and that is causing the slow down in rifles to the public. Don't know if that is true or not, he didn't either, just what he heard.

thanks

 

[BillyJack2012]

I don't think $700 sounds terrible. You're not going to do much better than $650 around here. With shipping and transfer fees, you're about there. Yes, there are other options but IMO, the lifetime warranty, great reliability and resources on this forum are worth a few extra bucks.

 

[SSgt M]

Can one build a better rifle for 700 with same grade or better parts?
You'd definitely loose out on the barrel, depending on what you intend to do with the rifle though.

 

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Ok I'm listening. I see that Cabelas has them for 699 plus tax of course that would be 736 plus the check for I would guess 10 bucks or so. So about 750 for the sport. Now they also have a
DPMS for the same price on sale. Ok I know you may be a bit prejudice but would you still go with the Smith??

yeah your right. Around here they used to go for about 650 before the shortage.

Cabela's: DPMS Tactical Rifles

 

[SSgt M]

Go with the Smith,
I seen only one standard sport, looked like 719 shipped plus what ever your ffl charges.
Gunsinternational.com

I also seen a bunch of CA sports for 629, what's it cost to change the bullet button ?

 

[SSgt M]

Not the chart !

 

[JaPes]

Thanks I do have a few questions. If you were goin to start another build where would you start for an upper? The problem I have run into is even the manufacturers are out of parts. I found through an on line retailer that some parts are still available. Anyway what do you suggest? Also if you buy the complete rifle do you have to pay the tax or is it just on the parts?

Lower:

PSA AR15 Lower - Lower Receivers - Lower Parts - AR-15

Upper:

16'' Hammer Forged Mid-Length Light Profile Rifle Kit - Rifle Kits - AR-15

Everything you need. You can build a 16" Hammer Forged, 1:7, Chrome Lined, Full Auto Bolt Carrier, etc...

~$80 + Shipping + Whatever FFL fee for the lower.

~$600 + Shipping for the rifle kit.

Ok I'm listening. I see that Cabelas has them for 699 plus tax of course that would be 736 plus the check for I would guess 10 bucks or so. So about 750 for the sport.

Build the PSA or Buy a 15-Sport, and you'll spend the same money. There are some pro's and con's to both. The good parts IMO...

PSA: Mid Length, Full Auto Bolt Carrier, FA & Dust Cover to complete the "look", double chrome lined, hammer forged barrel w/ "machine gun steel"(?).

15-Sport: The Barrel. 1:8 5R progressive gain rifling. Melonite treated (salt bath nitriding) for hardness & corrosion resistance. I get to shoot a bunch of different weight ammo, just as long as I don't go to extremes. The Lifetime Warranty. Anything breaks or is defective, send it back on S&W's dime and they'll fix it.

Here's where you have to make a choice.

There are a bunch of us who own 15-Sports and love them. I'm one of the satisfied 15-Sport owners. The omission of a forward assist & dust cover didn't make a difference to me. The barrel & lifetime warranty did. I got more than I expected for my money. Of course, I paid $614.99 OTD for mine.

The PSA components I linked to have impressive specs. These specs are what you'll see the mil-spec oriented crowd drool over. You'll get the currently en-vogue mid-length gas system. A slightly more robust full auto bolt carrier. Traditional 1:7 rifling. Hammer forged, machine gun steel (I assume 4150 CMV), and double chrome lining.

Basically, there are differences in construction details that will cause heated discussion on internet forums. Some get too focused on the little details. IMO, either way you'll get an equally good rifle at an equally good price.

There's a certain security in getting a complete rifle, manufactured and assembled by a major firearms manufacturer, and backed by a lifetime warranty that actually means something. Clean, lube, and you're ready to shoot.

There's a certain sense of pride and accomplishment in assembling a lower & topping it off with a complete upper. There's more pride in ownership because you can say, "I put that together". You do without the safety blanket of a lifetime warranty.

For me, my first was the 15-Sport because of the safety net the S&W lifetime warranty provided. Then within a month, I assembled a lower & topped it off with a complete upper.

 

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That's an old version of the chart! The M&Ps have M4 feedramps now.

 

[JaPes]

I found this chart when I was looing at ar's.
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Not the chart !

Oh no. The chart! LOL.

You know, the one thing I like most about this forum is that the members keep in mind the budget and intent of the OP. What you don't see here is the knee-jerk "Add a few hundred bucks and get yourself a real rifle, Colt LE6920" typical replies.

 

[cyphertext]

At $700 before tax for the Sport, there are other options. PSA is one. After I bought my Sport, I found that I could get a Spikes Tactical for basically the same money. For $745, I could have purchased the S&W M&P 15 OR with a tactical bag and 3 magazines at the gun show. This was a new gun from a dealer who claimed to be a LE distributor and had ordered several extra from S&W so that he could get an additional discount.

I guess what I am saying is that the higher the price for the Sport, the less of the deal it is and the more options are available. I turned down the M&P 15 OR because I wanted the barrel on the Sport, but I bet I would have been served just as well with either rifle.

 

[JaPes]

I guess what I am saying is that the higher the price for the Sport, the less of the deal it is and the more options are available.

Hit the nail right on the head.

At the price I paid for my 15-Sport, $614.99 OTD, there was nothing in the same price range that could come close.

At $700 or $750? Cyphertext is right. More options open up, especially if you build.

 

[crracer_712]

Not the chart !

Yep, it looks like the chart. Now smith people are using the chart, are these the same smith people that made fun of the other guys for using the chart???

 

[SSgt M]

I'll Take the jump, as all EBRs seem to be creeping in price, and not to many sales at all.... Besides building one, I think 750 is a top dollar price as there's not much in that range I've seen unless you go to 850 $. that's a whole different conversation.

I STILL WOULD LIKE TO NO , if he can buy a CA version and change the bullet button ? The CA at 629 $ plus shipping leaves alot if financial room if it can be changed on the cheap ?

 

[JaPes]

Yep, it looks like the chart. Now smith people are using the chart, are these the same smith people that made fun of the other guys for using the chart???

OMG. You're right.

Get out foul chart!!!

 

[SSgt M]

OMG. You're right.

Get out foul chart!!!

Where'd the chart go... Lol
I still don't see what that crowd sees in THE chart.

 

[crracer_712]

I STILL WOULD LIKE TO NO , if he can buy a CA version and change the bullet button ? The CA at 629 $ plus shipping leaves alot if financial room if it can be changed on the cheap ?

I would imagine you could simply remove the 'bullet button' and install a regular AR mag release in its place. The lower is the same no matter what. Add a 11.00 pmag and you got a regular AR, regular for the other states that is....