Cheating Advice

[gkitch]

Sounds to me like both you and the gentleman with the PPC S&W are "practicing". That is just unfair to the other shooters!

Speaking of the other shooters, are more or less cops joining your games? Why? What is the average shooter supposed to gain from these competitions? Many a shooting sport has lost touch with their roots while sqaubling over just such distractions.

 

[Chaosrob]

Have fun with it, and don't worry about the other guy IMHO. When something that is supposed to be for fun, and relaxation turns into something that is chewing on you mentally it is nothing more than another stress additive in your life.

There will always be people who do not play by the rules, or angle for every advantage in life, but that is just what you would be resorting to as well if you drop the dime.

You are there to have fun, and do your best so do that, and don't worry about the other guy/s.

 

[mg357]

SW CQB 45: I am going to share a piece of wisdom i learned a long time ago.

Honesty is the best policy.

 

[RKBAGUY]

If you can beat him with what you got, do so. If not, another option would be to trick out your gun the same way he's done to his, and let them try and accuse you of cheating. That would call into question the 'fringe' equipment when you say "Geez... sorry, guys - I figured it was OK because _____ had all sorts of cool stuff on his gun so I was just folliwng his example." I'm sure it'll get the point across and you can then make the case to prohibit such contrivances.

 

[NFrameFred]

Been there, seen that. The master class shooter who was running the matches using recoil reducers in his gun (thought nobody knew), letting the gun touch the barricade, not firing all his rounds and finding doubles that an NRA plug couldn't verify . . . best advice you've been given is to just cinch up the old belt and go out there and beat him. I never saw someone pour enough money into a gun where it won matches for them. I understand wanting the gun and ammo combo to do the very best it can possibly do, or as an old Bullseye shooter once told me, "if the post is in the 10 ring when I break the shot I don't want a 9", but even if he's taking some unfair liberties the differences are not enough to make him consistently a winner unless he already has some pretty good skills.

Be better - do better - want it more.

One morning years ago I was going to the range before and after work and practicing 6 days a week. There was a league championship on the line that I had won twice previously and was going for a third in a row. I woke up to a cold, drizzly nasty morning and told the wife I was just gonna bag it that morning and sleep in. She said, "Well, I hope (name deleted - my nearest competitor) likes your trophy" rolled over and went back to sleep. I got up and went to the range . . . and wound up winning the third trophy.

Motivation.

 

[K1500]

Cheaters suck. Call them out and then walk away from the game if you are not having fun. Ask the yourself following: If they are willing to lower their moral standards to cheat in a stupid game, what would you do when lives or real money is on the line?

 

[Nevada Ed]

8 matches to win one event............... seems that they should toss out the high and low for and over all average,to me.

Not shooting all his ammo............means a "Maggies Drawers" (miss) out here for uncounted bullet holes on a target.

Seems you need to tighten up the regulations and have the winning gun inspected after a match.................trigger pull,sights, etc.......to be a legal gun for the match.

Suck it up !!

 

[PPCSHOOTER]

IF YOU WOULD, A LITTLE CLARIFICATION PLEASE.
IS THIS LEAGUE FORMAL, INFORMAL ?
IS IT AN N.R.A. SANCTIONED LEAGUE?
IF IT IS AN N.R.A. SANCTIONED MATCH THE RULES ARE VERY FORMAL AND CAN BE EASILY CHECKED.
IF IT'S A NON NRA SANCTIONED MATCH IT CAN, MAY AND NORMALLY HAVE THERE OWN RULES. ASK FOR COPY OF THE RULES THAT APPLY TO THIS MATCH. IF THERE ARE NO WRITTEN RULES, YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT HE'S DOING. BUT WHAT HAS HE DONE WRONG? AS THE GIL HEBBARD TOLD ME MANY TIMES. "BEAT EM , BEAT EM AT THEIR OWN GAME AND BEAT YOUR FRIENDS WORSE"

 

[tomcatt51]

Do I have this right? PPC 5906 vs a Springfield Armory Range Officer 1911? I don't see anything unfair. They're both accurized match guns. Good sights, match barrels, match bushings and fitting. Personally, I'd take the Springfield.

 

[crofoot629]

I still say if you are shooting together on a firing line at the same time you need to make some poor hits on his target. It's all in fun anyway, have fun.

Another ego stroker is to get a bunch of you coppers together and all shoot the same Glock Match. I earned some gloating rights over our firearms trainers that way.

Emory

 

[sar4937]

If the rules say "duty type" there are loopholes. If it's a "duty" weapon, that is different. Even a Springfield Range Officer can be improved through polishing and fitting, and changing parts that do not violate rules. I would think a 45 acp would be a disadvantage compared to a .40 S&W, because of recoil. Have you settled on a load that minimizes recoil and is accurate? Being competative dictates that you must take every advantage that the rules will allow, I doubt Team S&W simply grab guns off the assembly line for production class.

 

[cyberiad]

I'm not in LE but I don't think S&W made the PPC 5906 as a duty weapon. Aren't these 5 inch barreled 5906s specifically made for PPC or marketed for PPC? If it's an "accurized match gun" it should be disallowed according to the rules whether or not someone actually could carry it on duty.

I think the guy who shoots the PPC is breaking the spirit of the rules but if he's not breaking any actual written rule then it will be difficult to do anything about it except out shoot him I guess.

 

[jackpilot]

No reason that you can't shoot perfect 500's with your gun. See it in your mind and do it. Only focus on the positive. Forget any and every shot that is not a 10. Remember what the 10 felt like and repeat it. Dry fire like a madman. Run through a perfect round in your head over and over. It will happen.

There will always be cheaters. If they can go home happy with themselves after cheating, they will never change and no one can change their thought process for them. Getting caught up with what others are doing in competition only impedes your success.

 

[gdauth]

If these guys are cheating here, I wonder what else they are cheating at?

 

[tomcatt51]

If these guys are cheating here

But is anyone? Just saying "duty type weapon" allows considerable latitude and neither the PPC 5906 or Range Officer were marketed as "duty weapons", they are/were both competition/match guns.

Unless there's more in the rules than has been mentioned I don't see a "cheater". Don't like the match rules? Change 'em, live with 'em or shoot somewhere else. IDPA is the only shooting sport I know of that has penalties for things that aren't against the rules but that the SO doesn't like, FTDR.

 

[Bushido]

There is cheating in every sport, slackers in every occupation, worthless politicians in every government, those that can but won't work yet live off those that do, etc..... It is how some people are and they don't really WIN. It annoys the honest, hard working, rule abiding folks who will do the right thing regardless and are the true winners. Just have fun. It's a game.

 

[bigtubby]

If you aint cheating you aint trying!!!

 

[peteral]

cheating advice

Have fun with it, and don't worry about the other guy IMHO. When something that is supposed to be for fun, and relaxation turns into something that is chewing on you mentally it is nothing more than another stress additive in your life.

There will always be people who do not play by the rules, or angle for every advantage in life, but that is just what you would be resorting to as well if you drop the dime.

You are there to have fun, and do your best so do that, and don't worry about the other guy/s.

Coming fro South Africa I have no idea what the competition entails, but I go with the attached quote.....at least in PPC you can measure your performance against yourself....
In RSA we do not have cash prizes so not winning is not a train smash....however there ar ALWAYS those who must win at all cost even if it means bending the rules
Enjoy you shooting and let the other guys conscience take care of him
Lol :

 

[jcsixgun]

spotter

there seems to be a little whining going on about the gun, if it meets the rules and it sounds like it does.. let that part go!!!

now the shooting aspect of it is completely justified, if the guy is not shooting all of his rounds as dictated by the stages fired and claiming the score that is cheating!! if he is shooting between the targets, that is cheating, if he is shooting out of position and claiming the scores that is cheating.... if you have range officers, put one on him full time, he'll either get caught and be banned (hopefully for life) or he will get the message that he is not trusted and straighten up or he will be embarrassed and quit...

If his is not cheating and still beating you.... either practise and beat him, buy a better gun practise and beat him or let it go......

 

[all357mag]

Try more practice. Those gadgets the other shooters have aren't helping that much. I leave all my handguns stock, and shoot pretty damn good for the distances you're at.