plan for an armed intruder/hostage situation

[Kanewpadle]

I think the key is that any security measure can can be beaten. Doors with locks, cameras, buzzed-in only systems, they can all be beat. Easily.

So we use them as a partial preventive measure. Just because you have locked doors doesn't mean you can let your guard down.

If an intruder gets in you need to have a plan. Hiding is a good plan until you are found. If an intruder gets past the front door and into a room, you better have a plan B.

I am pushing for a response cabinet, like a fire extinguisher cabinet, accessible to trained personnel, that contains the tools that they can use to save lives. Perhaps a taser, tear gas, smoke bombs, hand cuffs, a gun, rifle, maybe a shotgun that shoots bean bags if you want a less lethal choice.

If you had such a cache of tools, there is chance that someone in the school would be able to use them. If only one life were saved the response cabinet would be extremely valuable.

What would have happened if someone threw a couple of high density smoke bombs in the room that school shooter were in? So thick he couldn't see? He would have run out, and into what? Perhaps an armed Principal or an ex-cop custodian.

What I'm saying is at least make the tools for defense available so the poor victims have a fighting chance....

So..... How do YOU defeat a magnetic lock or electric strike with 1500 foot pounds of holding force?

If you have figured out how to bypass such locks, a few manufactures want to hire you as a consultant.

 

[Old TexMex]

So..... How do YOU defeat a magnetic lock or electric strike with 1500 foot pounds of holding force?

If you have figured out how to bypass such locks, a few manufactures want to hire you as a consultant.

Precisely Kanew, these assaults aren't trained SEAL operators, or dedicated armed robbery crews. These are deranged individuals emotionally driven. They might well have been reduced to pounding on the door in tears, because for the first time in their lives, they weren't getting their way.
Just a little time before they get inside the compound can make ALL the difference.

 

[Cheyenne WYO]

So..... How do YOU defeat a magnetic lock or electric strike with 1500 foot pounds of holding force?

Just spitballing here, but I suspect that an automobile could do it.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Just spitballing here, but I suspect that an automobile could do it.

There's a solution for that too. Spitball back atcha.

 

[Cheyenne WYO]

And if the door is too strong, what about the plate glass windows or the brick exterior. There are solutions to any problem, The problem is that, if we turn our schools, then office buildings, then malls, then hospitals, and on and on, into impenetrable prisons, all at taxpayer and consumer expense, the terrorists and bad people, both foreign and domestic, macro and micro, have won, because they have caused us to spend ourselves into poverty over something that can be handled by simply training more people to shoot back. Is it fail safe? No. But neither is anything else that costs a whole lot more money.

 

[Yiogo]

I am a retired high school chem teacher. I taught in a suburban school. I taught for 35years. We went from all the doors open to front door entry only. Badges required for all personnel though I was retired by then (2006). We also had an armed police officer on duty during school hours. I think every school should have one at least. It has to be done. I can't picture some of my former colleagues handling a firearm even with training. It's just too much to expect. There's already too much to the job. Yiogo

 

[Kanewpadle]

And if the door is too strong, what about the plate glass windows or the brick exterior. There are solutions to any problem, The problem is that, if we turn our schools, then office buildings, then malls, then hospitals, and on and on, into impenetrable prisons, all at taxpayer and consumer expense, the terrorists and bad people, both foreign and domestic, macro and micro, have won, because they have caused us to spend ourselves into poverty over something that can be handled by simply training more people to shoot back. Is it fail safe? No. But neither is anything else that costs a whole lot more money.

Unfortunately our world has changed. Remember 9/11?

Domestic and non domestic terrorists will strike at our weak points unless we do something about.

If you make your home a safe place to live for you and your family, why wouldn't you do it where our kids spend 8-10 hours a day?

And the money is there. We just have to stop helping other countries and help ourselves for once.

 

[Cheyenne WYO]

I think I saw something about a 9/11 thing. I also seem to recall that the national debt was about $4 Trillion back then, but that it quadrupled in the next 10 years as we tried to be all things to all people. It can't go on. Our unborn descendants already are on the hook for too much. Why not just let people undergo background checks and get training (with periodic recertifications) with endorsements like a CDL and give them a nationwide CCW that allows them to carry guns within their level of training? They can get a general license, then get an airplane endorsement, etc. It sounds very cost effective. Let's face it, we already allow pilots to carry on planes, and their qualifications are: (1) they are smart enough to know how to fly planes and meet some medical requirements; and (2) they took some classes on shooting. I know it won't happen, and that we will come up with some new taxpayer funded program to deal with this little slice of the problem until the next problem comes along.

 

[Lost Lake]

So..... How do YOU defeat a magnetic lock or electric strike with 1500 foot pounds of holding force?

If you have figured out how to bypass such locks, a few manufactures want to hire you as a consultant.

I do it every day I go to my kid's school. I push the intercom button and they open it for me. I'm sure the school shooter could have done the same thing, his mother worked there.

Or I could walk in after someone else got buzzed in.
I could have an insider let me in.
I could have an insider activate a fire pull station and the doors should unlock.
Or I could break the glass and be more noticed.

Could I get into a bank vault? No, but some people can and have done so. Nothing is impenetrable. Remember when that couple walked in to the Whitehouse dinner party? That is the greatest security in the world and it was breached...

Do you want to live in a world where you have 20" thick reinforced concrete walls and solid steel doors? I don't. Locks are a start, but not the end-all answer.

 

[feralmerril]

You do it like its done in courthouses, etc. I did security work for over 35 years. You have a armed guard sitting at a desk at the entrance. You have to walk past him. You either show him a pass or he has a list, knows you or whatever. Some have detectors like a flyway gate. Depends on how big the place is and what they think you need. Security would vary from a retired cop or farmer sitting in his car in front of a one room school house (if they still exist) to uniformed officers walking the halls.
Security can be anything from a qualified teacher packing to the above. The way to decide is the school board has meetings with a local police chief or security experts to advise them. The cheapest way is to have volenteers that pass some type qualification standard and background checks. You would have a roster system set up to get ahold of your volenteers to scheduel. I would recommend maybe two half days a week per person if you had enough people.
Barring that, how about that stymulus money the potus is trying to give away? If he actualy wants to pay guards besides I am sure it would create a lot of jobs.
The school would need a safe where the guard could get stored rifle or shotgun or maybe vest if need be.
The system could be flexable for everything from volenteers to paid officers at large schools.
Once it was announced that ever school had security odds are few if any would be attacked.
Now the flaw with this idea is that good security works too well. You have no way of knowing of how many nuts you have thwarted by just being there. After long periods of nothing happening you are taken less serious. Expendses will be cut back and volenteers will feel less needed unless something actualy happens. Thats the nature of the beast.

 

[Moonman]

Mental Illness, Deranged People, Domestic Terrorists, Terrorists in general,

get used to it, the worlds a rapid changing place now.

Watch what has and is occurring in other countries in the world, it's coming and has been here.

Domestic tranquility has been interrupted by 24/7 news and rapid air travel.