LEOs & armed guards at every school? Here’s a better way.

[Onomea]

Guns is schools will ALWAYS be controversial. What I mean is the politics involved...

Not disagreeing with you, but I read that in Utah CCW permit holders can currently carry in schools, and that Texas is considering similar legislation.

Maybe that is the approach? Just make it legal, and no one knows who is carrying or who is not.... Would obviate the need to argue about it in particular schools...

 

[mountaingun629]

The governors of at least 2 states and the attorney general of Ohio have called for arming a person "on staff".
A gun shop in Texas offered free CCW classes for teachers and has 400 already signed up.
Not every teacher is a good candidate for an armed responder, but don't discount that it can work.

Myron

 

[Harrison]

I recall going to HS in a farming community in the late 50s early 60s. Our HS had a rifle team, NRA .22RM position shooting. Also at least every other PU and car in the school parking lot had some kind of rifle or shotgun in the gun rack, or under a seat. No one remarked on it or though it was unusual. It was after Kennedy was killed that the country started getting the anti-gun laws and the guns are bad drumbeat of propaganda from the media.

 

[Foodfuzz]

At a minimum I would use a man trap entrance and bullet resistant glass and an armed police officer at a school entrance. Only one entrance with all other entrances not accesible from the outside.

 

[k22fan]

At a minimum I would use a man trap entrance and bullet resistant glass and an armed police officer at a school entrance. Only one entrance with all other entrances not accesible from the outside.

You might be able to rebuild some elementary schools to accommodate this, but not middle and high schools and certainly not colleges and universities. Except for the elementary schools, the hourly routine is for 1,000 to 20,000 students to hustle across campus to get sat down in a different building before their 10 minutes are up.

 

[williamlayton]

The world is a can of worms---it is full of people and some people are wormy. I have some friends that suspect I am one of those wormy people.
Let's look at this as realistic as a body can. Not every teacher is a dummy and alefty---some yes---I suggest, from my experience, NO!
Can one of them go bonkers? YES! Can one of them Panic and run? YES! Seems like that is what you would take the chance of when you hire someone.
My daughter would love to be able to carry in her school--but--she can't.
I would like it if every teacher who wants to carry in school would have the right to do so.
Now, I know that I live in a pretty right winged state and that my experiences with teachers seems to be far different than some of you folks--but--I really don't think that there is as much difference as you would emagine. My son-in-law is the exception, but I still love him.
Blessings

 

[Ransom]

But this is not Israel or Switzerland, it is America.

What is your point? Shouldn't we learn from what works in other places?

 

[BE Mike]

A lot of teachers can't even teach. You expect them to use a gun properly? This is wishful thinking. Israel is the most paranoid place on earth and armed to the teeth. They still can't prevent every attack.

You're not paranoid if people are really out to get you.

 

[Tam 3]

Do away with the "gun free" zones so that those employees with a ccw may excercize their right to carry concealed. A specified guard is merely the first to get shot.

Regards,

Tam 3

 

[miles71]

I am amazed at the teacher bashing going on. Every profession has good and bad people involved, you guys who are lumping all teachers together just plain don't know many teachers. I mean all the people on gun forums must be violent gun nuts right?

You would probably be surprised how many teachers would be willing to volunteer for any training needed, and also surprised how good they would be at the training. I will agree some teachers can't teach and some shouldn't be in a classroom or school, same for some administration. However, there are many many great teachers who are also firmly planted in the real world.

LEO are some of the hardest working people out there, but again there are some bad ones. Also, they are not magically injected with more moral responsibility than others once they get their gun. I would think the LEO world, if they knew the teacher etc. had the same if not more training than them, would welcome the help in such a situation.

I am a teacher, and gun owner, a ccw holder, and a firearm instructor. Lets stop with the "every teacher" crapola.

TD

 

[snubbyfan]

I don't understand the validity of gun free zones. Can't these people see that it's not the ccw holders that are commiting these mass shootings? Are they truly idiotic enough to believe that disarming law abiding citizens will prevent shootings? Or, are they just using these horrible events to satisfy their own personal agendas?

 

[WR Moore]

Having been involved in the pacification of an extremely violent school in the '70's and having raised kids since then, I'd like to comment.

First, the school system involved in the first incident took a no nonsense approach to the problem. In about 6 weeks the school was a model of decorum, the troublemakers having been siezed in the act, removed from the school, transported to Juvenile Court and expelled. I've got no clue how their cases were resolved or how many we removed. However, all those who weren't there to learn, weren't there anymore.

The downside was the orchestrated fuss over the use of jack booted thugs on the poor, innocent & deprived students that arose later.

However, the schools are not idyllic fonts of knowledge as administrators would have us believe. I believe when teachers became "educators" we reached a cultural tipping point where the inmates are running the asylum. There's little pretense of the school staff being in charge today.

 

[Damn Yankee]

What could be any better than armed security at a school? If it is good enough for the President's and the the Moderator of Meet the Press children it ought to be good enough for us commoner's children!!!!!!

The elite always need something better than we should have.

 

[williamlayton]

This is not switzerland or Israel !
If you would think for a minute, the laws and countries are run differently.
It would take a long time to get in the position of implementing their method of arming the people.
We have a way and we should use our way.
Blessings