AR-Getsome
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There is nothing wrong with using a .22 for self defense. Any bullet .22 or 9mm or whatever you shoot, will kill.
M&P22 range fail
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There is nothing wrong with using a .22 for self defense. Any bullet .22 or 9mm or whatever you shoot, will kill.
I agree....if it shoots when you pull the trigger.
BigCityChief
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Exactly! Rimfire ignition is "iffy" in my opinion, especially when it comes to MY self defense. I'd rather have a .22 than a slingshot, but I'd still prefer a .40 over the .22.
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MichiganScott
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Looks like you might be riding the slide stop. A different grip might help.
FWIW, my wife had to put over 1000 rds. downrange through her Ruger Mk II before it stopped jamming every 50 rounds or so after cleaning. I just made it a point of cleaning it for her often until the jams stopped. Frustrating, yes, but better than having the tolerances too sloppy and affecting accuracy.
FWIW, my wife had to put over 1000 rds. downrange through her Ruger Mk II before it stopped jamming every 50 rounds or so after cleaning. I just made it a point of cleaning it for her often until the jams stopped. Frustrating, yes, but better than having the tolerances too sloppy and affecting accuracy.
BigCityChief
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The lethality of the venerable .22 rd is not in question. The consistency of rimfire ignition systems is.
I hadn't thought of that....next time I go, I'll make sure I keep my hand off of it. Its definately possible.
I can't see your slide stop in the picture, but it is that side of the slide that is wearing isn't it?
My M&P22 fires reliably except for the occasional stove pipe. But man, I put that gun through the paces!!!
My M&P22 fires reliably except for the occasional stove pipe. But man, I put that gun through the paces!!!
Its on my thumb side (I'm right handed) of the grip.
I found that when the bullet gets stuck in the barrel its much safer to pry it from the back with a knife than to poke it out from the front where if it goes off my hand would be in the way....what a PITA.
I found that when the bullet gets stuck in the barrel its much safer to pry it from the back with a knife than to poke it out from the front where if it goes off my hand would be in the way....what a PITA.
I don't think these are common problems with these guns, I've read a lot of positive things about M&P 22's. I think I just got a bad one? I've heard their not picky on ammo. If I can ever find some good ammo and I still have these issues then I'll contact Smith and Wesson.
Not fun removing a live round from the chamber. I think my wife is over it just for that reason. Bummer...I did a lot of research before I made this purchase. I feel like I got it wrong.
Not fun removing a live round from the chamber. I think my wife is over it just for that reason. Bummer...I did a lot of research before I made this purchase. I feel like I got it wrong.
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Might be a tight mag spring happens with all kinds of semi automatic pistols of varying calibers. I had the issue with new Glock mags and 1911 mags. What I do is any time I get a new mag I load it fully and let it sit tell my next range visit. Normally by then they have loosened up enough.
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I dont think you got it wrong you just gotta find some ammo the gun likes. Also there is a break in period with any 22lr. Hands down the 22 has to be one of the most finicky calibers out there. Once you break it in its one of the most fun to shoot.
As far as removing a live round from the chamber. As long as your practicing common since your safe. Unless there is a sharp blow to the back of the round or delayed fire (which I explain in a sec). Then there is a better chance of you winning the lotto 4x's in a row then it going off.
Delayed fire is when the primer (Rim in the case of a rim fire like the 22lr) his struck and does not go off for several seconds. This is why if you have a failure to fire its advised to continue pointing the gun in a safe direction and count to 60. Is 60 obsessive you bet yea but better to be safe then sorry.
I bet once you find some ammo the gun likes and break it in you will be addicted. I went thought the same things your going thought now with my first gun for what its worth. I bought my self a brand new Glock 17 Gen4 from my father's friends shop. He ripped me off and the gun took almost 6months worth of me working on it to get it to work. I learned a lot and had fun doing it.
I don't pay any attention to staggering the rounds as I load, I just shove them in. No problems.
I won't lie, I love this gun but I did have problems with my first one. It was replaced and so far so good. If you would like I can PM you the full story as I don't want to clutter up your thread.
The silver piece of metal in between the slide rails was the issue with mine. It's a piece a steel in the aluminum frame that recocks the hammer after firing. I'm not sure if that is the technical term or not but that's the best way I can describe it. That piece should be smooth and free of any marking (some slight marks are ok and some come like that) but my first one after about 300 rounds was terrible. It was transferring metal between those two parts and would cause a FTF every few rounds.
The silver piece of metal in between the slide rails was the issue with mine. It's a piece a steel in the aluminum frame that recocks the hammer after firing. I'm not sure if that is the technical term or not but that's the best way I can describe it. That piece should be smooth and free of any marking (some slight marks are ok and some come like that) but my first one after about 300 rounds was terrible. It was transferring metal between those two parts and would cause a FTF every few rounds.
stev32k
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If the ammo you are shooting meets SAAMI specifications it should fire every time. If the rounds are too long, bulged out, or it has some other defect that might cause the problem, but I'm betting there is something wrong with the gun or magazine.
As others have suggested give the gun and magazine a good cleaning. I would take the magazine apart and swab out the inside. Load up the magazine and let it set for a few days. Sometimes the spring is just too strong until it has been used and broken in.
As a last resort give S&W a call. They may have some suggestions to try or they will send you a shipping label to send the gun to them for repair.
As others have suggested give the gun and magazine a good cleaning. I would take the magazine apart and swab out the inside. Load up the magazine and let it set for a few days. Sometimes the spring is just too strong until it has been used and broken in.
As a last resort give S&W a call. They may have some suggestions to try or they will send you a shipping label to send the gun to them for repair.
What I meant by wrong choice was rimfire...I didn't realize it was so finicky. This gun was for training/home defense. Im thinking I should have gotten a 9mm (centerfire). That will be my next purchase. I don't trust this gun (yet) for protection.
I've cleaned it twice now and it has about 500 rounds through it. I'm gonna keep shooting and learning. I would love to try some new ammo but I can't find any. I'm going to Academy Saturday morning to wait on their truck to see if I can get some different ammo.
Thanks for all the suggestions. Hopefully this will be a good guest/plinker weapon after I get my 9mm.
I've cleaned it twice now and it has about 500 rounds through it. I'm gonna keep shooting and learning. I would love to try some new ammo but I can't find any. I'm going to Academy Saturday morning to wait on their truck to see if I can get some different ammo.
Thanks for all the suggestions. Hopefully this will be a good guest/plinker weapon after I get my 9mm.
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Not to start a caliber debate but yea 22lr would be my last choice for HD. Please dont get me wrong 22 is better then lets say a baseball bat but still its more a practice round. I think overall the 9mm is a great HD round for the pistol. They also make ammo specifically designed not to over penetrate wall's in the home. This is the ammo I am thinking of Federal Premium Ammunition - Handgun
Overall thought you cant beat rim fire for pure fun and practice. I can sit and shoot 500 rounds of rim fire for the same price it cost me to fire 100 rounds of 9mm
Update...I cleaned and lubed the gun. It seemed to be smoother. When I was cleaning it I found some rub marks on bottom of the slide and in the back. I went back to the range and put another 200 rounds through it, still the same issue, at first it didn't seem as bad...only 1 ftf in the first 50 rounds or so...then back to the same ftf, fte every other round almost. I was sure to have a strong, solid grip. It did feel to me like the slide was rubbing.
I took these pictures when I got home from the range to show the abrasion.
Not real good pics.
I can't find ANY 22lr ammo in town. Academy told me I would have to be there at 7:30 am to get it straight off the truck or it would be sold out. I'll do that this week and hit the range next weekend.
Is it normal for the slide to rub like that after only 500 rounds? Should I contact Smith & Wesson about this? I don't think the ammo is the (only) problem due to the rubbing I see. I'm kinda dissapointed in my first S&W purchase so far.
Thanks for the input.
I had similar 'scoring' on my new 22. The slide wouldn't go to full battery. I had to polish out the scoring and lube it liberally. This FTB issue was just the icing on the cake of my experience with the S&W (Walther) 22. Not to go all negative on it but the fit/finish on this "M&P" isn't even in the same league as my US made M&P 40c.
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I just got back from the range after a little over 300 rounds that are at least 15 yrs old and had zero problems. I did clean the gun very well when i brought it home from the gun store as it was just caked with grease. I was really impressed with how well this gun did today.
what ever you protect
I have a pair of .40cal semi autos in lock boxes one at each end of the house. In them I have Jacketed HOLLOW POINTS. If you do have to shoot, swing for the fence, and with the expanding bullet, it "should" stay inside the house. That is, in most directions i have atleast 3 walls plus stucco on the outside to keep the round from traveling outside the home.
I have JHP's for all my weapons in case of home defense.
Chuck
I have a pair of .40cal semi autos in lock boxes one at each end of the house. In them I have Jacketed HOLLOW POINTS. If you do have to shoot, swing for the fence, and with the expanding bullet, it "should" stay inside the house. That is, in most directions i have atleast 3 walls plus stucco on the outside to keep the round from traveling outside the home.
I have JHP's for all my weapons in case of home defense.
Chuck
