kendak
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guys when you shoot your kid or wife with this homebuilt "kit" that has not been track or time tested you might want to THINK before you install
M&P22 Safety Plug v2 - kits for sale!
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I am confident in the kit I am selling. I've put well over 200 hours into testing this to be sure it is safe. I've put over 10,000 rounds through the gun with this modification with no problems. I've dropped the gun with snap caps, thrown the gun with snap caps and even cracked the frame while testing to be sure the gun wouldn't go off. I even broke my trigger trying to fire the gun with this mod in.
S&W wasn't happy, but this kit doesn't make the gun anymore unsafe than keeping the safety off.
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Good call. I totally didn't check for that. That makes much more sense.
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What about the kit increases the likelihood of shooting my wife or child? If the basic rules of gun safety are followed, there is no added risk.
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I've been a smith for over 40yrs. & have & shoot all models in the M&P series ...the .22 is Walther made & does NOT have a striker block like S&W made weapons...all my M&P's have safety plugs but the .22 ...I left the factory safety on because it doesn't have a striker block ...take your own apart & look !
I've been a smith for over 40yrs. & have & shoot all models in the M&P series ...the .22 is Walther made & does NOT have a striker block like S&W made weapons...all my M&P's have safety plugs but the .22 ...I left the factory safety on because it doesn't have a striker block ...take your own apart & look !
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What is that thing next to the firing pin that moves out of the way when the trigger is pulled?
kendak
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mag disconnect...you need to look at the Walther prints if you can sleep at night go for it I'm out....have a nice day..
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mag disconnect...you need to look at the Walther prints if you can sleep at night go for it I'm out....have a nice day..
No problem. I have time to try to figure out how that is a mag disconnect that isn't actuated by the magazine being inserted and that does indeed appear to block the hammer from striking the firing pin and also moves out of the way when the trigger is pulled. Can you at least tell me which model in Walther's lineup holds the clue?
Question: Can the safety mechanism be left in place (set to live position) and only the levers removed, then plugged? I recall seeing a YouTube video where the guy only removes just the levers, then re-assembles the pistol, which left the holes. I don't remember if other internal adjustments were made, but the safety mechanism was still intact. Will this option work with installing the plugs only? Just wondering.
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Wait, magazine safety? This isn't a product for the magazine safety...
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Yeah, I seldom get accused of being the brightest crayon in the box. Can you please explain how it works with the magazine, preferably using words no greater than two syllables so I can keep up?
It probably doesn't help that I'm not quoting properly... I'm just trying to make the point that without the thumb safety you still have the hammer block safety and trigger toggle safety just like you would on the full size. Also that the magazine safety is not located in the slide despite the tellings of a supposed 40 year tenured gunsmith as I removed the magazine safety from mine as demonstrated in the photo... In my completely amateur and not legally binding experience, the weapon is still just as safe as the full size models, and this is a great product.
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Sorry tinn-can, it looks like you were referring to Kendak.
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Yes, sorry. I wasn't sure if the passive aggressive sarcasm approach (hilarious by the way) would sink in for some people.
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I only had the safety of the people that read this forum in mind when I went into this ..I have seen in my 40+ yrs. of smithing & 55yrs. of shooting many accidental discharges when a safety/trigger are "fixed" by bubba ...lets please don't turn this forum into something like the AR[idiot].com forum ...it's your gun do what you want just be careful ...military training tought me that thinking outside the box sometimes don't work out so good ...as I stated I have removed all the external safetys on my set of M&Ps that are of the striker/block system ....the 22 I left alone because of hammer/sear setup vs. stricker/block system ...my Kimber carry gun when I was on duty was always carried C1 [cocked & locked] ...be safe & remember that when the bullet leaves the barrel you can't recall it...take care
Man, I'm really confused now between kendak and tinn-can's comments.
I don't have my S&W with me for evaluation so I'm going off this thread.
Can anyone show us the hammer block safety AND the magazine disconnect safety using pics?
And explain how they function?
It'd be cool if we could take this discussion to it's own separate thread. I kind of want to keep this thread to the safety plugs with questions and answers.
Upon a re-review of the YouTube video, it looks as though plugs will not fit with the original safety mechanism lever rod intact. The rod extends out too far on both sides due to how the levers attach to it.
@jobiin, will your new shorter rod work if one wanted to keep the safety mechanism in place? Is it even mechanically possible?
You're correct. The original rod in the firearm is too long to accommodate the plugs. With the safety levers removed the only way the gun can be turned from safe to unsafe is by rotating that rod with pliers or something.
The new rod replaces that longer rod and makes it flush with the inner assembly of the gun. There is nothing on the new rod that will attach to the current safety system. But having this rod in place is a much for the gun to function properly. So to answer your question, no, with the new rod there is no more safety levers or safety option. It's the same as a full size without a safety.
My EDC is a Glock 26 and it doesn't have a safety. Finger is your safety.
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