Auto or pump shotgun for home defense?

I always figured that, at a lower price point, that pump shotguns are a bit more realible than auto-loaders.

In a tense situation, pump shotguns can be a bit prone to short-stroking. It depends on how much time the user has spent practicing with the pump.

In my circle of acquaintances, I don't know of anyone who routinely practices with a defense shotgun. I'm an offender too.
 
A pump gun is cheaper (generally) and more reliable. I'm not sure just how much weight to give the effectiveness of the "racking" sound of a pump gun. The "BOOM" sound is definitely more effective. There's always a big discussion about what's the best shotshell load for home defense. I have always contended that it makes little difference at the close ranges typical of inside-the-home shooting. My choice is #4 or #5 birdshot loads, just to limit penetration through walls. At 10 yards or less, no BG will survive a load of #4 to the torso or head.
 
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Dottie looks like she needs a hand truck to cart around . . .

Actually not so bad, I'm 6' 200lbs and handle it well. Need a little extra weight shooting high-brass 00 and slugs to help mitigate recoil. It comes back on target pretty quick.
 
...When I had my gun business back in Md I sold some women the little mossy 410 pump guns with a pistol grip forend. It was much easier for them to learn to shoot and better than the mouse guns they thought they needed. 3 inch 4s or 5swere pretty nasty...
I often think .410 bore is overlooked in shotguns for home defense when shooter size and firearm recoil are limiting factors. Individual pellets from .410 exit the barrel with as much velocity and energy as those from 12 gauge, just fewer of them.

With an 18" barrel, a short length-of-pull stock and the right ammunition, a .410 bore shotgun can be a devastating and very controllable package.
 
thanks finesse ....

for posting bout the rock island shotgun .

i am set with a winchester defender and a remington 870 , both pumps and set for extreme home defense situations .
but my friend is in the market for a home defense shotgun and i believe the rock island fits his needs in intended use & price !
 
...Pumps take a memory to work properly, so someone who just buys a pump with no experience can really mess up when working the action. They will jam regardless of what people think if short stroked...
Quite true; even folks who run them regularly for serious business you'll sometimes see short stroke during stress-based training.
 
i would consider a pump to be preferred if you had kids around. It would be hard for a young child to load a pump if it is stored in the cocked position, and resting on an empty chamber. Of course all nessary precautions would need to be taken for safe storage.
 
If you want a gun with a 'sound' then your rifle ought to be a lever action. I carried shotguns for years as a Peace Officer. My favorite was a Remington Model 11. One big advantage an auto has is that you can fire it with one hand, another is that in a confined area or behind a barricade you don't have to maneuver around to work the action.
It always baffled me why a guy wants a semi-auto handgun and rifle but a pump action shotgun.
 
My Auto-5 is unquestionably more reliable in my hands than a pump in my hands. That's probably because I play a lot with pistols, some with rifles, and not much with shotguns. I believe the folks who consider a pump more reliable, but I know that it is not more reliable in MY hands.

I would probably advise a beginner to get a good autoloader, if he's sure that a shotgun is what he wants to have around ready for use.
 
That video of the M4 Super 90 is awesome and is one of the reasons It is on my must buy list. If my M1 super 90 had one of those short bbls and all I'd just keep using it.

As far as a 97 Winchester..it is one of the slower pump guns and although it is a Winchester..give me a Model 12 or the slickest old pump gun.,..a JC Higgins Model 20...made by High Standard back in the day.
 
When my Mossberg 500 was brand new and "tight" it was especially easy to short-stroke. In the first 50-100 rounds I feel like it broke in, plus I polished a few places in the action. You can still mess up easily though with a pump, practice is key! I think that's why I prefer my pistols, I'm more familiar with them and they get out to the range more than the shotgun.
 
For decades, people have been told to buy a pump because semi autos were not reliable. Times have changed, just as once revolvers were king in law enforcement, and for good reason. Now pistols are considered as reliable as revolvers or even more reliable. It depends on the pistol, of course, and the same goes for shotguns. The Remington 870 is notorious for operator-caused malfunctions. The 870 works well if the operator knows how to use it under stress, but a semi auto provides fewer chances to screw things up. Just pull the trigger. On the other hand, a negligent discharge with a pump will result in only one round going off, but with a self-loader, people have actually unintentionally shot others or even themselves two or three times before gaining control of their stupidity and taking their finger off the trigger. The recoil startles them and in their attempt to hold onto the gun, they pull the trigger again. That cannot happen with a pump. It's not really that important, since the operator must be responsible enough to touch a gun in the first place, no matter what type it is, but it's worth mentioning.

Today there is really no reason to buy a pump, except for the lower price. I have a pump that's been in my possession for decades, but if I were going to buy a home defense shotgun today, it would be the best semi auto I could find. Revolvers are a different matter. I still love them, though I carry Glocks and 1911s, too. When hunting, it's always a Smith .44 mag revolver on my hip.
 
Shotgun thoughts...

I've been in the same spot you are and asked many of the same questions. Some observations to add to the conversation....
-- I think highly of both the Remington & the Mossberg
--I've hunted with the Mossberg 500 for many years so I'm more familiar with it
--I prefer the safety/safety location on the Mossberg; others don't
--I have two of the same model Mossbergs. One I use in the field (slug barrel) and the newer one (18 1/2 barrel & light) I use for home defense.
--The hunting one gets dust, dirt, sawdust, etc from the woods during hunting season. I do a pretty good job of cleaning it but there always seems to be a piece of bark or something that shows up after. The newer one just goes to the range/backyard for practice
--I always take both to preseason hunting sighting & practice. The HD gets a couple of extra summer practice sessions on its own. Not nearly as much practice as a LEO would get but better than nothing.
--If I run it dry....you know when the zombies stop by to borrow a cup of sugar.....I have my "backup" pistol with 19+1 & two mags in my grab bag....

Remember: The opinions expressed in this post are worth exactly what you paid for them!! :p :D

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While I much prefer a carbine over a shotgun if one wants a long gun between the 2 I'd prefer a reliable auto. Pump is more prone to operator issues. Bird shot is a terrible choice, very lacking in penetration. I too believe price is a major reason the pump is popular. I also agree the history of police use is another factor. However carbine rifles are becoming more popular with them as well.
 
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I have a pump and an auto. A 500 with the short tube and a 930 SPX. While I have relied on the pump for a long time, the 930 has taken over house duty. It has proven reliable with slug, buck and even low brass birdshot. The reduced felt recoil, speed and really good sights are nice.

In most cases, I'm more likely to grab my handgun for a bump in the night. My house is fairly small and the pistol is much more easy (for me) to maneuver around corners and open doors if needed. A light/laser can be activated with one hand as well. For me, the ultimate home defense weapon is a Glock 19 loaded w/ 34 rounds with a light/laser, high mount sights to clear the suppressor. :cool:

That suppressor may come this year. I'm actually about good on firearms for the near future. At least that's what I'm trying to convince myself.
 

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