The US Navy just took ownership of its newest and largest Destroyer.

[Bill_inBouse]

A navy buddy of mine said a Ship can go underwater one time LOL
A boat many many times LOL

 

[bigwheelzip]

Is this how Steve Jobs widow disposed of his new yacht?

 

[LVSteve]

Is this how Steve Jobs widow disposed of his new yacht?

Meh, not interested. I don't see enough space to land the helicopter.

 

[Philadelphia Patriot]

Bit off topic,sort of,but this ship:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Independence_(LCS-2))

I got a close look at in San Diego last Dec...



These new ships are something else

Production of the previous destroyers, the Arleigh Burke class, has been restarted, with up to 42 more ships in the planning.

Also, production of the problem riddled Littoral Combat Ships has been cut by 12 ships.

U.S. Navy Dings Lockheed on Littoral Ship Quality Controls - Bloomberg

You guys are correct. My fiance is a mechanical engineer for DoD, specifically the Navy. She says the LCSs are cr@p and something is always breaking on them. And no...she does not design or build anything on the ship.

From all I've read about the Zumwalt Class, there are still concerns about the design being seaworthy under certain sea conditions, plus there have been big (read gigantic) cost overruns due mainly to tech that didn't work out and had to have substitute tech installed, mainly in propulsion.

The Zumwalt did OK in tests in Lake Pend Oreille in ID where they test all new submarine designs but the worthiness in high sea states is questionable.
And freeboard is low.
Just as the USS Perry FFG7 I was on, not good in high sea states.
Meta-center is too close the center of gravity.
Plus no expansion joint.
They added several tons of lead to the keel to correct that problem.

You guys are correct. My fiance says there are serious concerns over not just the technology of the Zumwalt class destroyers, but also their seaworthiness. She said the Arleigh-Burke class may not be Lamborghinis of destroyers, but they are Ford/GMC pickup trucks of destroyers...they're tough and great at their jobs.


My fiance's team primarily focuses on submarines, but they get called out to work on various types of ships. I won't really throw out there what they do (heck, I don't even fully understand what they do), but it primarily involves reverse engineering, computers, and 3D printing.

 

[arjay]

Is this how Steve Jobs widow disposed of his new yacht?

Steve got that design wrong-clunky!

 

[oldfart64]

Aye, if the salts dont mind me borrowing one of their words I like the look of these ships.

Pardon my saying so, this does not look like one of the Zumwalts, it has a forward raking bow, the Zumwalts have an aft raking bow and the bridge looks nothing like a zumwalt. Also someone said they saw it in San Diego, if it was being finished at Bath Iron works that was a long way from home.
Just saying.

 

[les.b]

I don't know what to call those floating objects above, but to me this will always be what a Destroyer should look like:



I spent about a year on this one, and I can assure you that it was seaworthy. We were in some mighty rough seas, and I had to learn how to trust both the skipper and the vessel. I have fond memories of this ship. About 390 feet long, and about 40 feet at the beam. Capable of 35 knots or so. The USS William C. Lawe, DD 763

 

[Beemerguy53]

Speaking of destroyers...

Last summer, while I was in Charleston, South Carolina, it was my great privilege to step aboard the USS Laffey, DD 724, known as "the ship that would not die". I felt chills go up my spine as I walked her decks and thought about what her brave crew did that fateful morning in the Spring of 1945...

USS Laffey: Attacked Off Okinawa in World War II | HistoryNet

 

[STCM(SW)]

This was my first ship.



Shot down 3 Kamikazes, last one's wing cut a 23' hole on the port side water line killing many guys in the fire control center.

Pulled off the line after that.

Our sister ship was DD 732. USS Hyman.
DD 733 is at the bottom somewhere off Okinawa

 

[muddocktor]

Pardon my saying so, this does not look like one of the Zumwalts, it has a forward raking bow, the Zumwalts have an aft raking bow and the bridge looks nothing like a zumwalt. Also someone said they saw it in San Diego, if it was being finished at Bath Iron works that was a long way from home.
Just saying.

That looks to like an Independence Class Littoral Combat Ship. They have 2 different designs for the LCS. The first design is the Freedom Class built by Lockheed Martin and the second is the Independence Class built by Austal USA in Mobile.

 

[the ringo kid]

Pardon my saying so, this does not look like one of the Zumwalts, it has a forward raking bow, the Zumwalts have an aft raking bow and the bridge looks nothing like a zumwalt. Also someone said they saw it in San Diego, if it was being finished at Bath Iron works that was a long way from home.
Just saying.

Dunno? but its the one pictured with the story.

 

[les.b]

This was my first ship.



Shot down 3 Kamikazes, last one's wing cut a 23' hole on the port side water line killing many guys in the fire control center.

Pulled off the line after that.

That's what I'm talking about, Chief!!! That's what a Destroyer is supposed to look like!!! Half a dozen 5" guns!!! Torpedo tubes!!! Depth charge racks!!! Anti-aircraft guns!!! Sleek lines, and fast!!! I just can't get with these new age designs. Just don't seem to have the sprit of a Destroyer, or the seaworthiness either. Well, I never thought I'd be one, but I must be a "curmudgeon" at last.

 

[cmort666]

That's what I'm talking about, Chief!!! That's what a Destroyer is supposed to look like!!! Half a dozen 5" guns!!! Torpedo tubes!!! Depth charge racks!!! Anti-aircraft guns!!! Sleek lines, and fast!!! I just can't get with these new age designs. Just don't seem to have the sprit of a Destroyer, or the seaworthiness either. Well, I never thought I'd be one, but I must be a "curmudgeon" at last.

I see your problem. Clearly you're under the misapprehension that there's an intent to create and maintain a capacity for WINNING wars and to procure the materiel that would enable military VICTORY. Don't worry, that's a common mistake these days...

 

[Rastoff]

If true, is it just a matter of budget cuts (don't get political) or is there an alternative vessel being built as a substitute?

Unfortunately Phil, the answer is politics. Sure, we could say that it's money, but ultimately it's politics that decide how much we spend.

I've watched projects come and go. Right now at Edwards the cash cows are the JSF and KC-46. In my lifetime, every new project has had a projected number that was huge and then it was cut to almost nothing. The F-22 was supposed to have more than 800 built. We have less than 200 and aren't buying more. The B-2 was supposed to have about 200 built and we have about 20. The JSF and KC-46 are too new to say, but rest assured I'll be surprised to see more than 20% of the projected number built for either.

Looks a lot alike. Just add wings...

What's funny about this pic is the age. The F-117 was built, well, a long time ago. Probably designed in the 70's. It has been retired due to age. So, the angular stuff is not that new.

 

[Kronos]

The new thing is to cram tomahawk missiles on-board in place of guns,of course they have one or two guns but missile tech seems to be taking over.

Either way in any type ship the weapon choice of having it fling a missile at you that tries to go up yer butt or a shell that weighs a anywhere from a few hundred pounds to a few tons coming at you would class in the "extreme suck" category!

@Rastoff

I remember when the F-117 was the new thing back in Gulf War back in 1991....yes that was awhile ago.

 

[Rastoff]

I remember when the F-117 was the new thing back in Gulf War back in 1991....yes that was awhile ago.

Yeah, and it was not new then. It had just been classified until late 1989.

 

[rwsmith]

That indeed LOOKS like a warship......

With apologies to Crocodile Dundee...

"That's not a warship...THIS is a warship!"

Lots of big guns. But regardless of looks I'd bet the new warship can beat the old warship.

 

[muddocktor]

Lots of big guns. But regardless of looks I'd bet the new warship can beat the old warship.

I'd take the bet, rw. I figure it would take only 1-2 shells from the 16" guns on an Iowa Class and any of the modern ships (except carriers) would be toast. And don't forget, they were modernized in the 80's and also carried Harpoon and Tomahawk missiles too. Maybe not as many as a Zumwalt, but plenty enough to settle their breakfast. And unlike the new ships, those old balttlewagons had some real armor on them.

 

[STCM(SW)]

I'd take the bet, rw. I figure it would take only 1-2 shells from the 16" guns on an Iowa Class and any of the modern ships (except carriers) would be toast. And don't forget, they were modernized in the 80's and also carried Harpoon and Tomahawk missiles too. Maybe not as many as a Zumwalt, but plenty enough to settle their breakfast. And unlike the new ships, those old balttlewagons had some real armor on them.

16" to 18" of armor will stop a lot of stuff while a 30-06 will go through some the new one's made out of plastic or Aluminium.

 

[Kronos]

The thing to keep in mind with the new ships armed with tomahawks is they can fire from so far out of the range of any of the old ships is isn't even funny.

Plus I'd bet they can/do have nuclear tipped missiles and those will screw up a whole fleet's day in one shot!