Gotta Get better With My J frame

[kbm6893]

I have had a few over the years, and got a really nice Model 60 No Dash last month. Shot it once and I can hit at 10 yards but my shots are consistently left. Put a Tyler T grip on it and shot it again today. Not much better. I can still hit at 15 yards but groups open up even more.

I've been shooting for a long time. I'm not jerking the trigger. I'm not flinching. Single action not much better than double.

Different stocks would probably help, but I don't want to put rubber on such a classy gun. For self defense purposes, the gun is fine. Just don't think I'm gonna be shooting 2 liter bottles at 15 yards like Hicock45 does. Only way for me to hit a small paper plate at 10 yards is to move the sights about 3 inches to to right, so I aim 3 inches to the right of the plate.

I was shooting my 158 grain lead SWC reloads, loaded middle of the road for Red Dot powder I used to make them.

 

[Stopsign32v]

I had this issue once, turned out I didn't have enough trigger finger on the trigger and was just using the tip of my finger as you do on a rifle.

 

[Erich]

I have regular sized male hands, and I find J-frames difficult to shoot with especial accuracy due to the distance between the face of the trigger and the backstrap (the "length of pull"). I have found that adding stocks that cover the backstrap (e.g., Pachmayr Compacs or Ergo Delta Grips) bring the LOP up to that of a K-frame, and make the J-frames a lot easier for me to shoot accurately.

They also make the gun a lot less concealable, to my way of thinking, which defeats the entire point of a J-frame. (And I agree with your assessment that the rubber stocks diminish the class of the gun.)

So, I put on BK/T-grips and leave the wood stocks. What are you gonna do? I feel perfectly fine for using the J-frame for defense out to 25 yards - but I'm not going to use it for Bullseye competition with the factory stocks.

 

[kbm6893]

I had this issue once, turned out I didn't have enough trigger finger on the trigger and was just using the tip of my finger as you do on a rifle.

I tried different positions. Every spot from tip of finger to first joint.

 

[kbm6893]

I have regular sized male hands, and I find J-frames difficult to shoot with especial accuracy due to the distance between the face of the trigger and the backstrap (the "length of pull"). I have found that adding stocks that cover the backstrap (e.g., Pachmayr Compacs or Ergo Delta Grips) bring the LOP up to that of a K-frame, and make the J-frames a lot easier for me to shoot accurately.

They also make the gun a lot less concealable, to my way of thinking, which defeats the entire point of a J-frame. (And I agree with your assessment that the rubber stocks diminish the class of the gun.)

So, I put on BK/T-grips and leave the wood stocks. What are you gonna do? I feel perfectly fine for using the J-frame for defense out to 25 yards - but I'm not going to use it for Bullseye competition with the factory stocks.

I didn't try it at 25 yards. I was shooting a B27 man size target. I am not even sure if I would hit the target at 25 yards. I was about 2-3 inches to the left at 10 yards aiming for the X ring.

 

[Arik]

I have regular sized male hands, and I find J-frames difficult to shoot with especial accuracy due to the distance between the face of the trigger and the backstrap (the "length of pull"). I have found that adding stocks that cover the backstrap (e.g., Pachmayr Compacs or Ergo Delta Grips) bring the LOP up to that of a K-frame, and make the J-frames a lot easier for me to shoot accurately.

They also make the gun a lot less concealable, to my way of thinking, which defeats the entire point of a J-frame. (And I agree with your assessment that the rubber stocks diminish the class of the gun.)

So, I put on BK/T-grips and leave the wood stocks. What are you gonna do? I feel perfectly fine for using the J-frame for defense out to 25 yards - but I'm not going to use it for Bullseye competition with the factory stocks.

This is the problem I have with J frames and revolvers in general as well as small semi autos. The LOP is to short/close for my hands. Some are better than others but this is why I say away from most small guns

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[Erich]

Well, then I'd work on that.

Do others have the same problem with your gun? FWIW, I had a J-frame once, factory new, that hit far from the POA. A trip back to the mothership and a date with a babbit bar fixed it.

 

[kbm6893]

Well, then I'd work on that.

Do others have the same problem with your gun? FWIW, I had a J-frame once, factory new, that hit far from the POA. A trip back to the mothership and a date with a babbit bar fixed it.

Nobody else has shot it. I can't imagine what I can do to work on it. Been shooting for a long time. Laser accurate with my K frames. Smooth and steady trigger pull and sights dont move at all. I'll keep shooting it, and I won't sell it. Classy old gun. at 15 yards, the target was hit in kill zones. I'll probably get a bit better with it, but can't imagine hitting 2 liter bottles at 15 yards, not without some Kentucky windage.

 

[arjay]

I'd set some sand bags on a shooting bench,rest my wrists on them and see where it shoots.Could be the grip size,the trigger or even fading eyesight.Mine came with oversized rubber grips and with a little practice a saw blade at 25 years was doomed!
That was five years ago though and I doubt I can do that anymore without new glasses [emoji1]

 

[petepeterson]

I went shooting yesterday, and dedicated it a "J-Frame" day. A .22 34-1, and my two CCW revolvers, a 442 and a .357 60-15. The 60 has the Compacs on it that Erich alluded to. It does take a little away from the concealability, but works fine in sweatshirt weather, especially IWB. The 442 wears the factory rubber boot grips.
All shooting was DA. It's good to get some repetition in on those triggers. After a little warm-up, my ladyfriend and I went head-to head on some shooting games, her Glock 19 against my "dinosaur" guns...
As good of an idea as it is to practice accurate shooting with the J's (and the guns are capable of good accuracy, even if the user isn't), the reality is you will most likely be using at 7 yds or less. I like to keep my serious practice close-up.

 

[Arik]

Nobody else has shot it. I can't imagine what I can do to work on it. Been shooting for a long time. Laser accurate with my K frames. Smooth and steady trigger pull and sights dont move at all. I'll keep shooting it, and I won't sell it. Classy old gun. at 15 yards, the target was hit in kill zones. I'll probably get a bit better with it, but can't imagine hitting 2 liter bottles at 15 yards, not without some Kentucky windage.

Could be that those reloads just don't jive with that gun. Try some store bought brands.

Also, doesn't matter how long you've been shooting. Years don't translate across the spectrum of all guns. I shoot full size guns well, small size.....not so much. A friend of mine can pick up any rifle and turn it into a laser beam. Give him a handgun and he couldn't hit the floor if he dropped it!

Try different grips. Try rubber grips see if that helps. If it's for self defense you're not going to impress away the bad guy. Or just start with different ammo.

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[bananaman]

I had a 2" 36 RB, and a 3", SB. Never shot either 1 real well. They are gone. I know it is larger, but my 2" RB model 10 works so much better for me. I am 63 and have been having vision issues. It doesn't help any! Bob

 

[Erich]

This is the problem I have with J frames and revolvers in general as well as small semi autos. The LOP is to short/close for my hands. Some are better than others but this is why I say away from most small guns

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Oddly, I can shoot the Ruger LCP as well as I can any J-frame. Just shows to go ya . . .

 

[da gimp]

as said above... in a defense shoot out... if you can't hit anything with the factory wood.. staying with them because you think they are classy is silly...I would not want someone to find my dead/wounded body & say.. "he sure looks like he had a classy gun... shame he couldn't hit squat with it..."

both my Colt Agent & S&W Chiefs wear Pachy grippers.. because they are very comfortable with even rapid fire & I shoot better with them compared to the wooden factory grips..

The Colt is a parkerized Agent II it came with Pachy's on it...it is my EDC gun the parkerized finish is 10 times more durable than bluing is.. Use what works..if it looks good too, so much the better... but function rules...

 

[DevilDog72]

You could also alter your shooting stance just a little with the lead foot. I do think it is more LOP. You could also use the first knuckle of the trigger finger to pull thru... good luck.

Oh I switched to S&W Banana grips on my 642 and my groups tightened up a lot.



Then the wife decided she wanted it for her carry gun......

 

[haywood]

I have the stock Uncle Mike's on my pocket guns. They are ok for shooting a box or so of ammo. I like the Hogue's Pachmyers, and S&W Combats for Belt carry and shooting for a long time.



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[kbm6893]

as said above... in a defense shoot out... if you can't hit anything with the factory wood.. staying with them because you think they are classy is silly...I would not want someone to find my dead/wounded body & say.. "he sure looks like he had a classy gun... shame he couldn't hit squat with it..."

both my Colt Agent & S&W Chiefs wear Pachy grippers.. because they are very comfortable with even rapid fire & I shoot better with them compared to the wooden factory grips..

The Colt is a parkerized Agent II it came with Pachy's on it...it is my EDC gun the parkerized finish is 10 times more durable than bluing is.. Use what works..if it looks good too, so much the better... but function rules...

I can hit the target at self defense ranges, just not as tight a group as with other guns. I had a 642 once with the factory rubber boot grips. No better than the 60.

I know they're not target guns, and maybe I'll
Tighten up my groups a bit with more practice (the joy of reloading. So
Much cheaper to shoot). But putting huge rubber grips that take away from the concealability and classiness of an old gun isn't gonna make the target any less dead.

 

[kfields]

I also have a "classy" model 60 from 1971 and use it as my concealed carry. I have thought about this a lot, considered the situations I would potentially find myself in as well as the distances involved.
I consider any serious situation I will find myself in will probably occur within 16 feet or less and I shoot the model 60 just fine within that distance.
I like the concealability and I also feel safe carrying this revolver.
For me it works.
Kim

 

[27Veer]

Snubbys are the easiest to carry but the hardest to learn to shoot. Practice, practice, and of to a teacher who knows what they are doing.

 

[G.T. Smith]

love mine.

I actually shoot my 37 RB better than my other handguns at 15 yards. But then I shoot it a lot and often. I didn't start out very good but over the years I have improved greatly. Just keep on shooting it. I use factory 158 grain LRN standard pressure. These forums have got me paranoid about cracks but ain't got none yet. 1000's of rounds. Bluing is nearly gone but shoots fine. Original numbered grips. 1968.