Alaskan Cruise

Here is a cruise education for everybody. Most people don't know these facts:...

....So now, do you have a better grip on THINGS THAT MIGHT happen?


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Fixed it for you.

I now know more about the POTENTIAL pitfalls - thank you.

Sounds like maybe you've cruised the worst of the worst cut-rate cruise lines.

Though I have only been on one cruise personally, my friends and relatives have been on a couple of dozen (collectively). NONE of the things you described has happened on any of them - with the possible exception of some bouts of seasickness. But most people realize that the cruise lines don't control the wind and waves. It's part and parcel of sea travel.

Seems to me that if more than a tiny fraction of the things you described happened on a significant percentage of cruises, the negative word of mouth advertising would put them out of business. Look at this thread for example.

Dozens of people have related positive experiences and one person has given a long list of POTENTIAL negative experiences (assuming you haven't personally experienced ALL of the pitfalls you listed).
 
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I took a cruise up the inland passage to Ketchican on a ship owned by Canadian National Railway. It was in 1946, and I was with my parents; I was 13 at the time. I'm 83 now and I still remember the unbelievable scenery and the good food. Talk about lifelong memories. I still have the ulu I bought in Ketchican and it might even be a real one, with slate blade and bone handle
 

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Here is a cruise education for everybody. Most people don't know these facts:

When you book a cruise, you essentially give up most of your rights by a contract called "The Conditions of Carriage."

If you suffer an injury or damage or loss of your property, your rights are going to be very limited and the limited remedies usually involved being forced to arbitrate in an inconvenient forum in front of a very cruise ship friendly board. You are a lobster trying your case in a boiling pot under those arrangements. They also invoke very short notice periods for you to make any claim, if a family member wants to file a claim for your death, that time period may lapse before they even learn about it.

If an event occurs that sinks the ship, results in a cancellation of the trip, and causes port cancellations, trip cancellations, or results in you being dumped off in a port other than that you originally booked at the end of the trip, that is your problem, not theirs. You are on your own.

On the last and final cruise of my life on Silverseas Cruise line, I was booked from South Hampton to New York. The boat hit something en route, or had a mechanical problem that caused an oil leak. A stop in Newport was cancelled, the trip terminated early, and we were dumped off of the boat at a shipyard in New Jersey, and told we were on our own.

It was a god-awful trip, and we had to make our way back to New York at our own expense. During that trip my wife was seasick in high seas in our cabin about half of it. A lot of the crew seemed to be falling ill, and I contracted a virus that took me months to get over.

Cruise ship lines make their money by filling their boats with people and then using various schemes to extract as much money from those people as possible. Although the schemes vary, they usually involved the following:

Premium dining charges. The ships have a number of choices for food service, buffet lines, beach bar food service, a formal dining room, and often a restaurant where you make a reservation to eat really good food at exorbitant prices.

Spa services. Haircuts, ladies spa services and massages are also very expensive.

Liquor sales. Most won't let passengers bring their own booze aboard, and that drink or two you have with dinner or by the pool adds up. On top of the high drink prices they also automatically add a "service fee" of 20% or so and expect you to tip on top of that.

Crew tips. The cruise ships expect you to tip everybody you see practically, the stewards, the maids, the bartenders, the head waiter, the sommelier, among others.

Casino revenue. Don't even think about it.

Shore visits. The ship lines heavily market their shore excursions because they are over priced and mislead people on expectations before they buy. The fact is the ship lines put the screws on the locals who do the excursions by extracting huge kick backs and the locals barely make ends meet.

Beach visits. In some cases the cruise ship line may drop you off at a beach and recommend the local beach bar for you to dine. They probably own the bar and thus get you to pay for food on shore when you could eat for free on the boat.

Jewelry shops and merchants. Often the cruise ship lines may own them, or they take you to shops where they extract high rents from the local merchants because the own the properties.

What the cruse ship line did in my situation was invoke the so-called "force majuer" clause and made their magnanimous offer of giving us a ten percent discount on a future cruise with Silverseas. Some big offer, huh?

Cruise lines always market their trips by showing pristine boats, huge abundant buffets, beautiful beaches, smiling faces, and smooth water. It is possible you might experience some of that, it is doubtful you will see advertising showing the other possibilities:

Boats that are just plain worn out and dirty. Interior windowless cabins that smell of mildew and are damp.

Boats where inadequate sanitation, ventilation, improper food handling practices result in huge blooms of norovirus outbreaks amongst both the crew and passengers.

Boats being driven into storm conditions or sea states that make walking around difficult and potentially dangerous.

Staying in your cabin with your spouse who is to seasick to get up and can't keep food down.

And finally, being forced to leave your cabin and sit in a stairwell or hallway for a couple of hours while you wait for your deck to be called to another longer line to clear customs and immigration.

So now, do you have a better grip on what happens?


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I mean no disrespect, but after four Alaskan cruises on the Princess Line and based on my experience I would have to disagree with about 80% of your post.
 
Here is a cruise education for everybody. Most people don't know these facts:

When you book a cruise, you essentially give up most of your rights by a contract called "The Conditions of Carriage."

If you suffer an injury or damage or loss of your property, your rights are going to be very limited and the limited remedies usually involved being forced to arbitrate in an inconvenient forum in front of a very cruise ship friendly board. You are a lobster trying your case in a boiling pot under those arrangements. They also invoke very short notice periods for you to make any claim, if a family member wants to file a claim for your death, that time period may lapse before they even learn about it.

If an event occurs that sinks the ship, results in a cancellation of the trip, and causes port cancellations, trip cancellations, or results in you being dumped off in a port other than that you originally booked at the end of the trip, that is your problem, not theirs. You are on your own.

On the last and final cruise of my life on Silverseas Cruise line, I was booked from South Hampton to New York. The boat hit something en route, or had a mechanical problem that caused an oil leak. A stop in Newport was cancelled, the trip terminated early, and we were dumped off of the boat at a shipyard in New Jersey, and told we were on our own.

It was a god-awful trip, and we had to make our way back to New York at our own expense. During that trip my wife was seasick in high seas in our cabin about half of it. A lot of the crew seemed to be falling ill, and I contracted a virus that took me months to get over.

Cruise ship lines make their money by filling their boats with people and then using various schemes to extract as much money from those people as possible. Although the schemes vary, they usually involved the following:

Premium dining charges. The ships have a number of choices for food service, buffet lines, beach bar food service, a formal dining room, and often a restaurant where you make a reservation to eat really good food at exorbitant prices.

Spa services. Haircuts, ladies spa services and massages are also very expensive.

Liquor sales. Most won't let passengers bring their own booze aboard, and that drink or two you have with dinner or by the pool adds up. On top of the high drink prices they also automatically add a "service fee" of 20% or so and expect you to tip on top of that.

Crew tips. The cruise ships expect you to tip everybody you see practically, the stewards, the maids, the bartenders, the head waiter, the sommelier, among others.

Casino revenue. Don't even think about it.

Shore visits. The ship lines heavily market their shore excursions because they are over priced and mislead people on expectations before they buy. The fact is the ship lines put the screws on the locals who do the excursions by extracting huge kick backs and the locals barely make ends meet.

Beach visits. In some cases the cruise ship line may drop you off at a beach and recommend the local beach bar for you to dine. They probably own the bar and thus get you to pay for food on shore when you could eat for free on the boat.

Jewelry shops and merchants. Often the cruise ship lines may own them, or they take you to shops where they extract high rents from the local merchants because the own the properties.

What the cruse ship line did in my situation was invoke the so-called "force majuer" clause and made their magnanimous offer of giving us a ten percent discount on a future cruise with Silverseas. Some big offer, huh?

Cruise lines always market their trips by showing pristine boats, huge abundant buffets, beautiful beaches, smiling faces, and smooth water. It is possible you might experience some of that, it is doubtful you will see advertising showing the other possibilities:

Boats that are just plain worn out and dirty. Interior windowless cabins that smell of mildew and are damp.

Boats where inadequate sanitation, ventilation, improper food handling practices result in huge blooms of norovirus outbreaks amongst both the crew and passengers.

Boats being driven into storm conditions or sea states that make walking around difficult and potentially dangerous.

Staying in your cabin with your spouse who is to seasick to get up and can't keep food down.

And finally, being forced to leave your cabin and sit in a stairwell or hallway for a couple of hours while you wait for your deck to be called to another longer line to clear customs and immigration.

So now, do you have a better grip on what happens?


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More like on things that someone made up partially!

Yep windowless cabins. How are you going to give everyone a window?

What schemes are you talking about? You do whatever you want! You want an excursion you go to the info desk and ask, they don't come to you.

Casinos and stores are again....up to you. Play or don't, buy or dont. I've done both and never been swindled out of anything.

Food was 24/7 whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. And FREE! Want lobster at 2:43 AM? No problem!

Sounds like you didn't want to go from the beginning and look for any reason or inconvenience to hate it

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When you get on a ship and go from England to New York, that's not really a cruise.
That's transportation, A to B. Across the North Atlantic, famous for being rough.
A guy from my home town went over in War Two on the Queen Mary.
He always said that was the worse part of the War.
Taking on a few million Germans- no promblemo!
 
More like on things that someone made up partially!

Yep windowless cabins. How are you going to give everyone a window?

What schemes are you talking about? You do whatever you want! You want an excursion you go to the info desk and ask, they don't come to you.

Casinos and stores are again....up to you. Play or don't, buy or dont. I've done both and never been swindled out of anything.

Food was 24/7 whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. And FREE! Want lobster at 2:43 AM? No problem!

Sounds like you didn't want to go from the beginning and look for any reason or inconvenience to hate it

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ARIK i agree with you!

You get what rooms you pay for, you can get on the main cruise ships rooms with no windows up to suites with a butler. We always opt for a balcony room. You get a room that is as centered in the ship as possible length and height and the is the best ride.

Most time we set up our excursions long before we ever get on ship.

You want to buy stuff at the ships store go for it you do not want to purchase stuff save your money. Casinos admittedly the slots are set very tight, table games use your best judgement.

Food for the most part very good and if your a big eater no problem. We normally dine in the main areas but have done the specialties places also. Most time it is a step above. Old joke says when you come aboard you are a passenger when you leave you are cargo, due to the amount of weight you can put on.:D one of out friends gained 10 pounds on a two week cruise. His quote I can not afford to eat like this home but at sea I indulge.

Safety at sea, we have never been sick or had a ship get hit with problems canceling the cruise. Many thousands od cruises no problem, you only hear about the ones that do have problem.
Think of it like airplane flights only a small percent crash those you hear about the routine everyday flights no one talks about.

Drinks yes there is a 20% service charge built in that is the tip.
You do not have to add more.
 
We went about 10 years ago. We've also cruised to Mexico. If you have never been to Alaska I say you need to go. Of course I've traveled a lot in the western states so Alaska was on my short list.

Go during the salmon run and rent a charter for some very good fishing. My wife caught her first salmon on a charter out of Ketchikan. The smile on her face was worth the cost of the whole trip.

The fishing is much better in Mexico but it's hotter than hell in July when you will find the best opportunity for bill fish and dorado.

We like Holland America.
 
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To all of you who scoff at my posting, which part is wrong. The part on how the make money? The part where they don't tell you about all the add on charges when you purchase a ticket? The part where they don't tell you they can cancel part of your trip and dump you off without compensating you for what you paid for and didn't get?

To you who have never had a problem, I say good for you. But to buy an expensive ticket without realizing everything I said is true, and does happened to people, is a mistake.

Just google cruise ship complaints, cruise ship fires, cruise ship caught in storm. I am not wrong. My trip was cancelled early. There was a rampant virus running amuck and I ran a fortune in doctor bills when i got back to shore. That doesn't make a twit of difference to me what you deniers might say. What I said is fact, not opinion.


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To all of you who scoff at my posting, which part is wrong. The part on how the make money? The part where they don't tell you about all the add on charges when you purchase a ticket? The part where they don't tell you they can cancel part of your trip and dump you off without compensating you for what you paid for and didn't get?

To you who have never had a problem, I say good for you. But to buy an expensive ticket without realizing everything I said is true, and does happened to people, is a mistake.

Just google cruise ship complaints, cruise ship fires, cruise ship caught in storm. I am not wrong. My trip was cancelled early. There was a rampant virus running amuck and I ran a fortune in doctor bills when i got back to shore. That doesn't make a twit of difference to me what you deniers might say. What I said is fact, not opinion.


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You just seem to be a bad luck magnet!:D

Most other people experiences do not rival yours.

We read our contracts and know what can happen and how they do business. We had our luggage lost and were very well taken care of by Princess, we also buy travel insurance!

We are very happy and have had some very good times

. I already gave the airplane crash example. You hear about those but nothing about the other thousands of good flights!:eek:
 
To all of you who scoff at my posting, which part is wrong. The part on how the make money? The part where they don't tell you about all the add on charges when you purchase a ticket? The part where they don't tell you they can cancel part of your trip and dump you off without compensating you for what you paid for and didn't get?

To you who have never had a problem, I say good for you. But to buy an expensive ticket without realizing everything I said is true, and does happened to people, is a mistake.

Just google cruise ship complaints, cruise ship fires, cruise ship caught in storm. I am not wrong. My trip was cancelled early. There was a rampant virus running amuck and I ran a fortune in doctor bills when i got back to shore. That doesn't make a twit of difference to me what you deniers might say. What I said is fact, not opinion.


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Not scoffing at your post. You just had a bad experience. I have those about once a week. Life's too short to get all negative about one experience. If I did that I wouldn't leave my driveway.
 
White pass railroad is a great trip and reasonable. Super scenic. I have no regrets. Love cruising. Just looking at Room and board, great food and free activities, cruises are a bargain. They seem to make their money on casino, photographs, excursions and beverages. Beverage price includes tips. You can do your own on-shore excursions. The ship marks them up pretty well. The towns are really cool. Two of them, including Juneau, you can't even get to by car. Glacier bay is awesome. American eagles abound along the inside passage. I saw one in Glacier bay grab a fish and eat it on a small chuck of floating ice. We did a land tour to Denali from Anchorage and a 10 hour or so train to the ship. Could have rented a car and done it a good bit cheaper. Was there in July. Travel agent made a great suggestion-fly there and cruise back, so you ease gently through the time changes coming home. Interior cabin was cheap, but like a cave and too easy to sleep in late.
 

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I realize that taking a cruise is safer than driving but with all the bad press over the last couple of years I think I'll stay on dry land.I wouldn't want my first trip to be my last. :):(
Woh, negative vibes!
 

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Thanks for all the replies. There is a whole lot more to consider than I originally thought. I may be a bit soured because the last time I was on a ship was in '72 on an aircraft carrier.:D
 
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