RCBS in path of Damaged California dam.

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An hour and a half north of me Oroville Dam is in crisis as an emergency spillway is crumbling. Mass evacuation happening as we speak. Since this is a gun forum I'll point out that RCBS is on Oroville Dam Road right below it. The powers that be who have been spitefully sticking a stick in the Fed's eye the last three months are now begging for Federal help.
I know many gunowners have written off California, but it's a whole different world when you get out of L.A., Sacramento, and the Bay area. Go out in the hills and deserts and you would swear you're in Montana or Arizona based on gun rights and rights in general attitudes. All that aside, I pray this dam holds up and people wise up that we need more resevoirs in spite of how much they might inconvenience an aledged endangered toad or whatever.
 
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Agreed!

I pray the dam holds and repairs are made in time.

Northern California is a different world and not at all like the coastal areas. I hunted at the north east corner of Trinity Lake for years.

Stay safe!
 
Tyrod said:
Correct me if i'm right or wrong, but isn't Sacramento in northern California?
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I live in Sacramento and say I'm from Northern California. Others consider it the north end of central California. but to your point, Sacramento is an outpost of insanity in an area that is very rural north and east of here. Farms just out of town, mountain towns all through the Seirras to the east, and up north where there's very desolated areas of outdoor gun totin' folks.
 
We live on Paradise ridge area about 20 miles north of the dam. Every conceivable place open for evacuees is full up right now in town. A lot of tired, new faces stumbling around looking for eateries here while they wait for updated news. Warm weather and more rain ahead means snow pack will begin to feed into the dam, so we aren't out of the woods yet. No news coming out of the evacuated areas regarding looting has been reported yet, but I wouldn't doubt it. Many people weren't prepared since this event went from **-hum to run for the hills in such a short time.
 
The water "Shut" is giving way and washed down hill leaving
bare rocks and dirt.

They need to cut the water off to fix the foundation and pour
new cement........ but it is also the areas drinking water supply !!

Too much rain caused the problem, now how to fix it ? !
 
Ron M. said:
We live on Paradise ridge area about 20 miles north of the dam. Every conceivable place open for evacuees is full up right now in town. A lot of tired, new faces stumbling around looking for eateries here while they wait for updated news. Warm weather and more rain ahead means snow pack will begin to feed into the dam, so we aren't out of the woods yet. No news coming out of the evacuated areas regarding looting has been reported yet, but I wouldn't doubt it. Many people weren't prepared since this event went from **-hum to run for the hills in such a short time.
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My wife and I were watching the news when the big hole appeared and we thought there didn't seem to be much worry about it. but I don't recall if that was the news guys or the attitudes of the engineers who are very worried now.
Hang in there, Ron. My brother in law lives in Magalia, also north of the dam and near you. If there's more rain, the dam fills up. If there's more sun, the snow melts and the dam fills up.
 
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I'm glad those folks have had enough warning to evacuate.

Rather than more dams, the taxpayer need to be willing to pay for good design and construction practices, and then the decidedly less sexy tasks of maintenance and upgrades.
 
"Everything's fine, don't worry." - Government officials Sat. afternoon.

I had lunch with some relatives Sat, they were swallowing the official line, and now they're in a parking lot with their trailer. They don't want to advertise where, because the business manager didn't know if he wanted a lot full of fugees. There were a handful of other trailered evacuees but they've moved on. The business manager brought them a case of water this morning and even let them hook up electrical, said they could stay as long as they needed.

They're not exactly survivalist/prepper types, but they're pretty level-headed rural folk. I didn't even bother to ask if they took some defensive armament along, I know they have at least a 12 ga. pump and a .22 rifle. I'd guess that 18.5" barrel I gave the hunting oriented husband a while back is working out better inside the trailer than the 28" one he had! They don't own even ONE S&W handgun between them, but I tolerate them anyway.

So far, no reports of looting, fingers crossed.
 
bigwheelzip said:
I'm glad those folks have had enough warning to evacuate.

Rather than more dams, the taxpayer need to be willing to pay for good design and construction practices, and then the decidedly less sexy tasks of maintenance and upgrades.
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Can't tell you how many bond measures have been passed in this state regarding water...where did all the money go? We have been paying...this particular dam was built in the 1960's using a 1957 design plan. And we do need more dams, southern CA is sucking up water from every conceivable source and still building homes..P.S..don't build a metropolis in a desert climate. Santa Clara valley has covered most every inch of dirt with condos and townhouses in the past few years, and those residents use water from outside sources.
 
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codenamedave said:
"Everything's fine, don't worry." - Government officials Sat. afternoon.

I had lunch with some relatives Sat, they were swallowing the official line, and now they're in a parking lot with their trailer. They don't want to advertise where, because the business manager didn't know if he wanted a lot full of fugees. There were a handful of other trailered evacuees but they've moved on. The business manager brought them a case of water this morning and even let them hook up electrical, said they could stay as long as they needed.

They're not exactly survivalist/prepper types, but they're pretty level-headed rural folk. I didn't even bother to ask if they took some defensive armament along, I know they have at least a 12 ga. pump and a .22 rifle. I'd guess that 18.5" barrel I gave the hunting oriented husband a while back is working out better inside the trailer than the 28" one he had! They don't own even ONE S&W handgun between them, but I tolerate them anyway.

So far, no reports of looting, fingers crossed.
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Discussed with the wife what we would take if we had one hour to evacuate our home...each other, the dog, easily retrieved photo albums that can't replaced, cell phones and charger, bug out bag with clothing for a week, and our documents file from the safe. (Our chickens would be on their own). Those items would go into the SUV. Second load, for the spare car, would be food, bottled water, flares and road emergency kit, camping equipment and assorted toys and ammo, just enough to get by for a few days. By assorted, I mean everything I could put in the trunk. There's nothing you can buy that can't be replaced, so we focus on sentimental value when it comes to family.
 
On the subject of dams.....Las Vegas, NV. is a good example
of building in the desert using water from Lake Mead, where
the water level is down over 100 feet and still falling. Mean
while, commercial buildings, homes, and water parks are
still being built. Now they want to build a $1.7 billion stadium
for the Oakland Raiders who want to re-locate here. Where
does it end?
 
...I just read the story of this one a few weeks ago...same State...1928...

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St. Francis Dam - Wikipedia
 
Latest casualty from potential Oroville Dam...

The gun show in Chico this weekend has been cancelled due to concerns that additional rain could bring more issues to bear, and local police and sheriff's department personnel need to be available in the event they are needed.
 
Ron M. said:
We have been paying...this particular dam was built in the 1960's using a 1957 design plan. And we do need more dams....
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More dams might well be called for, but they need to be designed, executed, and maintained correctly. The hydraulic principles and the dangers of scour were well known in the 1950's but seemingly partially ignored on the Oroville structure. Hopefully oversight on any new structures is better.
 
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