S&W 4006TSW California Highway Patrol (CHP) Information
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I own a 'regular' 4006TSW as well as a number of other 3rd Gens, and the CHP trigger reset feels pretty standard to me.
As far as the barrel grooves, I noticed that mine has one or two minor grooves as well in the same area. It could be the resulting wear of many CHP rounds downrange, especially .40 cal, which can be hard on any gun. My other LEO-trade-ins (4006TSW & 5906TSW) do not have these grooves, but they are both in better condition as well and may not have seen the same kind of use that my CHP did.
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Okay, so I just got my two today. Both seem to be in really great condition all things considered. The grip on one side of one of the guns has seen some wear, but other than that the guns are in pretty good shape. I mean, there isn't even a lot of wear on the black parts of the gun.
Here's where I'm not really connecting what is being posted with what I received. These guns show very little use. I'm not talking about shooting use. I'm talking about use in general. Even the bottoms of the magazines show little to no wear.
Now when I gloriously turned in my M&P 45 last week (thank you Jesus) it was beat all to h***. And I mean literally....this was my (I think) third M&P (maybe second) in almost 9 years. The bottoms of the magazines looked like one of my Chihuahuas had used them as chew toys. The top of the front sight had a skid mark on it. The finish was well worn on multiple places on the slide. The slide lock levers were worn silver, the edges of the rear sight were gashed and worn down. The edge of the ejection port was worn silver. There were nicks and scratches (more like gouges) all over that thing.
For guns that supposedly had such a "high" round count, these things look like not only were they unholstered infrequently, they don't even look carried. There doesn't even appear to be normal wear and tear on the guns.
I would love to hear thoughts on these points. Given that the vast majority of these appear to be in great shape, it seems unlikely everyone got "off the shelf" guns.
Thoughts?
Here's where I'm not really connecting what is being posted with what I received. These guns show very little use. I'm not talking about shooting use. I'm talking about use in general. Even the bottoms of the magazines show little to no wear.
Now when I gloriously turned in my M&P 45 last week (thank you Jesus) it was beat all to h***. And I mean literally....this was my (I think) third M&P (maybe second) in almost 9 years. The bottoms of the magazines looked like one of my Chihuahuas had used them as chew toys. The top of the front sight had a skid mark on it. The finish was well worn on multiple places on the slide. The slide lock levers were worn silver, the edges of the rear sight were gashed and worn down. The edge of the ejection port was worn silver. There were nicks and scratches (more like gouges) all over that thing.
For guns that supposedly had such a "high" round count, these things look like not only were they unholstered infrequently, they don't even look carried. There doesn't even appear to be normal wear and tear on the guns.
I would love to hear thoughts on these points. Given that the vast majority of these appear to be in great shape, it seems unlikely everyone got "off the shelf" guns.
Thoughts?
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I can answer that. There is a possibility that some of these guns saw little use, some saw heavy use. There are a lot of different positions in the CHP, ranging from SWAT to recruitment, public affairs and so on. Other special units do a lot of training while others meet the required standard. Regardless of that every weapon is still inspected. For example, every officer requires a yearly inspection a complete tear down and a meticulous inspection of every part of that weapon. During that inspection the officer gets a "loaner" weapon. There are several "loaner" guns for each area (we are talking a large agency, with a lot of area offices). The loaner is a temporary issue to the officer while the inspection is completed, this allows the officer to remain armed with a primary sidearm and remain in-service to answer calls. These loaner guns often don't see hardly the round count as the "duty" weapons. Some of these loaner guns will be in pristine condition. I can assure you that some of these duty guns will be in not so great shape. I've seen some beat guns, especially from motors that have the gun exposed to elements consistently. The last cadet class that graduated this month is the last class to get issued the 4006TSW. This is pure speculation, but there could be an inventory of 4006TSW's that didn't see any use and were on hand for future officers, I would be willing to bet these would be the first to go to market. If for some reason these weapons appear in excellent condition and you happen to get one (or a few), you're lucky. As the CHP completes the transition, I can almost guarantee you will see some upset posts of guys who weren't so lucky in the condition of the guns they get.
If you are on the fence, consider yourself warned.
About the magazines - CHP uses red bottom training magazines for all live fire training. The black bottom duty magazines do not see abuse and are cycled yearly to ensure function. Every black bottom magazine will be in excellent condition.
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Interesting tidbit about the magazines! One of the things I noticed when I picked mine up yesterday was "dam those floorplates look brand new." I'm very satisfied with the one I got, especially since I've wanted one since I first saw them.
You mention that they all have a very thorough annual PM done, do you know if there are any mandatory replacement parts (recoil springs for example) or are wear items replaced when they start to go bad (magazines failing to lock back, etc). Thanks!
You mention that they all have a very thorough annual PM done, do you know if there are any mandatory replacement parts (recoil springs for example) or are wear items replaced when they start to go bad (magazines failing to lock back, etc). Thanks!
skjos,
This video came in an email for me this morning highlighting the CHP 4006TSW's. At the 15:20ish mark the pistol is being field stripped and you can see the marks on the end of the barrel which to me look very similar to the ones you show. These look like awesome pistols. Sadly I can't get one, but I do have an early 4006 that I bought new in 1990.
Watch: S&W Model 4006 TSW CHP - AllOutdoor.com
This video came in an email for me this morning highlighting the CHP 4006TSW's. At the 15:20ish mark the pistol is being field stripped and you can see the marks on the end of the barrel which to me look very similar to the ones you show. These look like awesome pistols. Sadly I can't get one, but I do have an early 4006 that I bought new in 1990.
Watch: S&W Model 4006 TSW CHP - AllOutdoor.com
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All parts are replaced based off the weapons officers evaluation. Most of the Range Masters are also weapons officers and they facilitate and monitor all range training so they are able to identify problems during monthly shoots and replace or send the weapons to the gunsmiths at the academy.
Those marks on the barrel are puzzling. I'm headed up to the academy in July. If I remember, I'll inquire about the marks with the gunsmiths.
I'd be interested in hearing their opinion, too.
I could see a production run/batch of barrels slipping through with some "chatter marks" caused during production, or something about a run of slides where the integral bushing ended up having machining imperfections that caused the resulting wear marks.
I've seen my share of barrels where the production left some odd markings on the barrel exteriors. Things that were spots of shallow surface imperfections on the exterior, caused during machining, which were more cosmetic issues than anything of a functional problem.
The new 4006 tactical I just got looks like its in the 2nd batch they got has A after serial number nice clean shape a little seat belt rash on right grip . I put a new set on it and my barrel does not have any marks like the photos . maybe this is a loaner gun to guys who had theirs checked .
I picked up 4 new in the Smith wrappers 4006 mags with the blue followers ,there were no bids until the last hour or two . It went a little higher than I thought but now people are asking top dollar for older Smith mags , I have a bunch but wanted new ones . alot of the 4006 mags seem to have weak spring in them they still work but that scares me .
Added to my notes to ask the gunsmiths when I go up at the end of the month.
I turned in my 4006TSW in Feb. and I was contacted by the distributor last week. They informed me that my duty gun was shipping to the FFL for purchase. Soon to be back in my hands.
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I did not see any more coming from Summit , they must be sold out for now until a new run comes through . I wanted this one since they went with it back in 06 or 08 you would never see one for sale . All the info on the sight is great .
That's a fantastic post. One small nitpick and one question.
First, it sure isn't the trigger return spring that is missing, it is the trigger play spring. It's more than obvious that you know that, this was just a typo.
My question: is the CHP the largest single LE Org in the Nation? I always thought that was the NYPD but I have absolutely no idea. It would seem to make sense that even though NYC is the largest city in the world, it certainly isn't larger than the State of California.
Oh, one more comment. With ZERO intention of sounding like I have never cared for the TSW pistols... it simply doesn't seem like spending MILLIONS to upgrade from a 4006 to a 4006TSW just isn't much of an upgrade. I would think when you throw that massive amount of money at something, you'd be making a large-scale change. Such as moving from a DA/SA metal gun to current technology polymer striker fire. This move I understand. But millions to move to the TSW from the 4006? That's sounds nutty to me.
Of course it isn't real money, it's taxpayer funded, so maybe I have answered my own question... (sigh)
But yeah, fantastic post!
Not to get technical the largest the agency with the most LEO is CDCR 24000
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FBI — Table 76
The data is from 2015, but it is the latest table I could find.
I'm not a police officer, so I do not know the distinction between a corrections officer and a police officer; but the FBI table for state law enforcement did not include the CDCR.
I updated the original post with largest "state" police agency.
The data is from 2015, but it is the latest table I could find.
I'm not a police officer, so I do not know the distinction between a corrections officer and a police officer; but the FBI table for state law enforcement did not include the CDCR.
I updated the original post with largest "state" police agency.
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