New M&P9c vs. SD

[panther]

I see the 2.0 version of the M&P compact is going to be a 4" barrel, which puts it at about the same size as an SD. It has lots of nice features listed, but is already being offered at $499. That's about $200 more then a std. SD. Only about $150 more then the versions with FO sights.
I have one of the older M&P 9c models and like the smaller size. I love the size of the SD and it's a favorite range gun. I'm going to be real tempted by the new 2.0 compact, especially if prices drop lower then what they are now. It seems like S&W has put 2 models in a pretty close price point. Do you think the new compact will compete with the SD, in spite of the higher price?

 

[Papa_D]

Nope. The price point is the selling point of the SD line.

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[GKC]

Nope. The price point is the selling point of the SD line.

That, and it actually works...two very big plusses. (Plusi?)

 

[Kencan]

wont compete because to a lot it's all about the money and $150-$200 is a lot more money, least to me than the M&P

 

[Out West]

Interesting that the SD series of pistols already matched the G19 in dimensions. Supposed goal of the new 2.0 compact was to achieve those same dimensions.

The SD series gun is sized right for carry and range. It still represents the best value available for a quality low cost pistol.

Wonder if S&W will consider updating the frame texture to something akin to the new 2.0 line?

 

[scattershot]

I fondled them today at a local fun emporium, and I would be hard pressed to turn down an SD model. Different trigger, but it was nice and smooth, not at all like the horror stories you hear.

 

[micocyco]

I to have an older M&P9c & older than that SD9ve. I think the sale of guns is down across the board, those that want a SD probably already have one. This new line of 2.0 M&P's S&W has come out with is a good way to stir interest. If I were in the market for a new gun I would look at the new model first. A good example is my wife got the M&P9c after shooting my SD9ve a lot at the range. I will say about the SD9ve trigger that at the range after shooting we would swap & I could always get better groups with the M&P9c & it could have only been the trigger.
Which brings me to one of my pet peeves, people that buy a SD9/40ve for $300 then spend money & time on it to make it shoot like a M&P that cost $399

 

[nimbly]

Gotta admit I don't know anything about the new MP. I love my SD9VE though. I imagine the tacticool folks might pay more for a name? Police and military don't use SDs.

 

[dsk]

I've had an SD9VE for a few years, yet I'm contemplating getting an M&P 2.0C anyway and have been doing research on it. While not a perfect analogy, you can equate the difference between the two pistols as being similar to the base model of a car versus the fully-optioned GT version. An SD lacks refinements like interchangeable grips, a light trigger, and ambi controls. However for the market it's intended for (first-time or price-conscious buyers) it has everything you need in a fighting handgun to save your butt with. Mine is even my current home defense pistol, for I prefer having an 8# trigger on something I might grab onto wrong in the pitch darkness. My main complaint with it is the somewhat slippery grip which requires hand stippling or Talon grips. The M&P is more refined and I think I'd prefer the superior grip, sights, and trigger on a range or carry gun.

 

[Mark IV]

.... Police and military don't use SDs.

While this is admittedly a fair point, it could also be argued that S&W is more likely to incentivise the use of their higher-end M&P line to police agencies, over their cheapest pistol, given that so many civilian buyers tend to blindly gravitate towards what the "operators" are using. And, at their low price point, I'm pretty sure the SD9's are almost a loss-leader type product, with very little profit margin, versus their more expensive guns that probably give S&W more breathing room concerning supplying large contracts.
The consensus seems to be well established, that the SD's are reliable,functioning pistols, so it isn't because they suck that police agencies aren't using them.

 

[nimbly]

While this is admittedly a fair point, it could also be argued that S&W is more likely to incentivise the use of their higher-end M&P line to police agencies, over their cheapest pistol, given that so many civilian buyers tend to blindly gravitate towards what the "operators" are using. And, at their low price point, I'm pretty sure the SD9's are almost a loss-leader type product, with very little profit margin, versus their more expensive guns that probably give S&W more breathing room concerning supplying large contracts.
The consensus seems to be well established, that the SD's are reliable,functioning pistols, so it isn't because they suck that police agencies aren't using them.

Military and police don't generally pay full price for pistols. Being that police and military sales do generally translate into civilian sales, that is probably the reasoning.

 

[Mark IV]

Military and police don't generally pay full price for pistols....

Oh,yeah, I know, that's what I meant by "incentivize", but it may have been unclear in my convoluted ramble .

 

[dsk]

Perhaps this is a question for a different thread, but do SD pistols seem to have the same longevity as the M&P line? Do they have a similar lifespan and MTBF? My experience so far with budget-priced handguns is that they may be as reliable as the more expensive ones but they generally don't hold up to high-volume shooting.

 

[micocyco]

Perhaps this is a question for a different thread, but do SD pistols seem to have the same longevity as the M&P line? Do they have a similar lifespan and MTBF? My experience so far with budget-priced handguns is that they may be as reliable as the more expensive ones but they generally don't hold up to high-volume shooting.

I have a early SD9ve , stopped counting rounds at 2400 years ago when I let 2 other people use it for training. It is as solid & reliable as it ever was, the only thing I would replace is the guide rod been meaning to see if S&W will send me a new one, still works fine just looks a little beat up.
I don't think of or call it a budget gun.

 

[Mark IV]

...I don't think of or call it a budget gun.

But it IS a budget gun. That's exactly what it was designed and marketed to be. That isn't a criticism of it, or something to take offense over, it's just a statement of fact.
This issue has come up here before, where guys that own and like the pistol take offense at the word "budget",assuming it's meant as a derogatory term.
The pistol was designed to fill the same niche, and be as reliable as more popular,higher-end pistols like Glocks (who am I kidding, it was SPECIFICALLY Glock ! ), but do so at about 1/2 the cost.
Ergo: budget gun.

 

[micocyco]

But it IS a budget gun. That's exactly what it was designed and marketed to be. That isn't a criticism of it, or something to take offense over, it's just a statement of fact.
This issue has come up here before, where guys that own and like the pistol take offense at the word "budget",assuming it's meant as a derogatory term.
The pistol was designed to fill the same niche, and be as reliable as more popular,higher-end pistols like Glocks (who am I kidding, it was SPECIFICALLY Glock ! ), but do so at about 1/2 the cost.
Ergo: budget gun.

Never said it wasn't a budget gun, it is value enhanced, just that I never think of it as one.

 

[Papa_D]

I think it is of worth to draw attention to the name. The original M&P line has history going back to WWII or before. The original SD name goes back to the police guns of the 1980-90s that were warring against GLOCKs invasion. Just something I find cool.

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[dsk]

Well, now that I have a new M&P 2.0 Compact I'll have to do a comparison shoot between it and my SD9VE sometime. Just handling them side by side it feels like comparing a Harbor Freight socket set to a Snap-On, but as we all know either one will get the job done in a pinch.

 

[sd9boi]

As to longevity, I'm unsure exactly what the standard is !!! I've owned my SD9VE for just under 3 years and just recently surpassed 6K rounds. I shoot every other week OR as my budget allows, apx. 75-100 per session. This is pretty light shooting, about 2K rounds per year. My specific pistol is holding up nicely. I have "chronic" failure to lock open on empty magazines as my only real mechanical gripe. Generlly occurs apx. every third mag, regardless of mag used. I DO number my mags, BTW !!! As for the standard "failure" series, I simply haven't had many, perhaps 5 or 6 within the first 400-6-- rnds. After that, the current irritations aside, nothing more. Even with my current issue, I'm still very comfortable using it for it's intended purpose. Primarily a house gun, great in that roll !!! My 2 cents !!!

 

[silversnake]

I'd absolutely consider them competitors, similar size, weight, capacity, both striker fired. $200 is not that much when it comes to guns, anyone who shoots a lot is going to spend much more than that on ammo.