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Tonight we are watching on HLN "The Radical Story of Patty Hearst" in six one-hour segments. It's a pure documentary, and is very well done. It brings back a lot of memories of the 1970s I had completely forgotten about. It is being repeated next weekend, and if you get HLN (which is a part of Turner-CNN) I recommend you watch it.
 
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I’ve got to catch that. Just some months ago I read Jeff Toobin’s “American Heiress: The Wild Saga of the Kidnapping, Crimes, and Trial of Patty Hearst”, the most recent comprehensive examination of the case (first published 2016).

It was very well documented and narrated in great detail. The undertone was that you CAN get away with almost anything if you have the right name, can afford expensive lawyers, and know how to game the system. Probably a fair assessment.
 

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Tonight we are watching on HLN "The Radical Story of Patty Hearst" in six one-hour segments. It's a pure documentary, and is very well done. It brings back a lot of memories of the 1970s I had completely forgotten about. It is being repeated next weekend, and if you get HLN (which is a part of Turner-CNN) I recommend you watch it.

I just drove four and a half hours listening to it on Sirius. Fascinating stuff, and I'm going to make a point to actually watch it next weekend . . .
 
I saw a couple of hours of it. It was well done. They interview some of the participants that are still living. The episode showing the shoot out in South Central LA where several members of the SLA were killed when the house caught fire was really interesting. The TV coverage was revolutionary, since video cameras were not in use at the time. Most TV crews were still shooting film, developing it, then playing it back. In this episode they showed a live feed. Amazing how bad TV was back then. I would like to see the remaining episodes. I agree that she got off due to money and influence. It brings back a lot of memories of the unrest in the late 60's and early 70's.
 
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Lived those times and we didn’t learn much from them. Seems like a lot of the ideas from those days have been modernized and are once again polarizing the country. The same groups with new names and faces still working to destroy the country. The enemy never sleeps.
 
That McCartney and Wings song "Band on the run" was on the air when this was going on.
I thought it was a appropriate song at the time.
Plus Patty was hot and came from money.
 
That McCartney and Wings song "Band on the run" was on the air when this was going on.
I thought it was a appropriate song at the time.
Plus Patty was hot and came from money.
And all the rest of the crew did real time. Last i heard the cat that put SLA together is still inside. Murderers and bankrobbers. She walked because of her fathers publishing empire. “You don’t start a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel”
 
Did she do it......

Did she do it for attention, notoriety and publicity or was she coerced, threatened and brainwashed?

From wiki:

"According to testimony, the main intention was to leverage the Hearst family's political influence to free two SLA members arrested for the killing of Oakland's first black superintendent, Marcus Foster. Faced with the failure to free the imprisoned men, the SLA demanded that the captive's family distribute $70 worth of food to every needy Californian – an operation that would cost an estimated $400 million."

I think that is a lot better motive for the SLA to kidnap Hearst than her motive for wanting to join such a group for fun and excitement.
 
Lived those times and we didn’t learn much from them. Seems like a lot of the ideas from those days have been modernized and are once again polarizing the country. The same groups with new names and faces still working to destroy the country. The enemy never sleeps.
What new names are they using? They have to be better than the Simbonese Liberation Army, what a joke. Were the SLA ever a threat to the USA existence? They sure seemed like a handful of nutcases, akin to the Manson "family". More people are killed in Chicago in a week than they ever killed.
 
I joined the Alameda County Sheriff's Department shortly after the kidnapping. The kidnapping occurred in Berkeley which is in Alameda County. We had different words for what SLA meant. If I were to repeat it, I would be kicked out of here so fast.
 
Did she do it for attention, notoriety and publicity or was she coerced, threatened and brainwashed?
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I think that is a lot better motive for the SLA to kidnap Hearst than her motive for wanting to join such a group for fun and excitement.

I don‘t think anyone is seriously suggesting that the violent kidnapping wasn‘t real and she was a willing participant from the start. The questions have always centered around the fact that she ultimately “switched sides”, participating in crimes and not availing herself of multiple opportunities to escape. Was she brainwashed and psychologically coerced, as she and her defenders claimed, or did she willingly join the cause, becoming ideologically committed?

Toobin, whose book I mentioned above, lands somewhere in the middle. He basically sees her as the ultimate opportunist.

Impressionable young woman, forced to hang out with her kidnappers, trying to gain their confidence, probably created some bonds where joining was just the next step. Toobin thinks she always knew what she was doing, basically that the SLA people were too dumb for any real brainwashing. But over time, they simply became her home team.

But since there was no deep ideological commitment, once she was captured, she did what she could to avoid consequences, reverted right back to “terrified victim”, took advantage of her social status and family money and connections, and got off with a slap on the wrist.
 
Did she do it for attention, notoriety and publicity or was she coerced, threatened and brainwashed?

From wiki:

"According to testimony, the main intention was to leverage the Hearst family's political influence to free two SLA members arrested for the killing of Oakland's first black superintendent, Marcus Foster. Faced with the failure to free the imprisoned men, the SLA demanded that the captive's family distribute $70 worth of food to every needy Californian – an operation that would cost an estimated $400 million."

I think that is a lot better motive for the SLA to kidnap Hearst than her motive for wanting to join such a group for fun and excitement.

The documentary discusses this in detail, including the reasons why the request failed, primarily because Hearst didn't have near that much money . . .
 
I don‘t think anyone is seriously suggesting that the violent kidnapping wasn‘t real and she was a willing participant from the start. The questions have always centered around the fact that she ultimately “switched sides”, participating in crimes and not availing herself of multiple opportunities to escape. Was she brainwashed and psychologically coerced, as she and her defenders claimed, or did she willingly join the cause, becoming ideologically committed?

Toobin, whose book I mentioned above, lands somewhere in the middle. He basically sees her as the ultimate opportunist.

Impressionable young woman, forced to hang out with her kidnappers, trying to gain their confidence, probably created some bonds where joining was just the next step. Toobin thinks she always knew what she was doing, basically that the SLA people were too dumb for any real brainwashing. But over time, they simply became her home team.

But since there was no deep ideological commitment, once she was captured, she did what she could to avoid consequences, reverted right back to “terrified victim”, took advantage of her social status and family money and connections, and got off with a slap on the wrist.

She had very good survival skills IMHO.Its something we've seen plenty of when people get caught in a horrible bind.Play along until the odds turn in your favor
 
Having grown up during those times, I could write a whole book on this topic. But I think this article pretty much says what I want to say on this thread - 15 things ‘70s-era cops can teach today’s LEOs

I would swear this was written by the old Chicago cops I knew back in the day. All Vietnam vets.
The west side MLK riots, DNC riots in Grant Park '68, shoot outs with black panthers, snipers shooting cops from the Carbrini Greene projects, SDS, weathermen and all the radical bozo groups that were "peaceful socialist" hell bent to bring the communist utopia to the U.S.
 
"I agree that she got off due to money and influence. It brings back a lot of memories of the unrest in the late 60's and early 70's."

"The documentary discusses this in detail, including the reasons why the request failed, primarily because Hearst didn't have near that much money . . ."

Did she ever have influence. She got Presidential pardons from BOTH Jimmy Carter, and later, Bill Clinton. That takes an enormous amount of influence and $$$. Surprising that her daddy Randy (Randolph) Hearst apparently didn't have all that much money personally. He was described as being merely a figurehead of the Hearst newspaper empire without any real duties or responsibilities. Anything he got he had to persuade the top management of the Hearst organization to give him. I thought the part about throwing food at the angry crowds was hilarious. It was pointed out that the majority of the SLA members were white women feminists and apparently Tanya fit right in. And it was obvious that she was doing a lot more than just "fitting in." Like participating in two bank robberies, making and planting several bombs, and hosing down Mel's Sporting Goods store with her carbine.
 
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