Wanding patrons at a theater

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So, a new experience in the world of concealed carry.

If you go to NYC you know that every building has a metal detector and every event has one, too. Their paranoia has no limits.

But that's not true everywhere - yet. But we are working on it.

Last night I went to a show at a venue that I will not name that has no signs about guns and has never evidenced any concern about concealed firearms. They still have no signs. But they had two police officers in the lobby and 5 or 6 employees wanding folks as they walked in. Wanding everyone and checking purses, etc. Very New York-like.

Of course I had a handgun with me so I was not sure what to do; the car wasn't that far away if I had to leave and toss the gun into the trunk. But this just seems different so I approached a police officer and explained my dilemma.

"Are you law enforcement?"

"No - CHL".

"Oh, okay, stand in this line here and after she wands you go to that lady over there and she will take you over to that man standing over there....."

Okay, whatever. I do it and when I get to "man standing over there" he has a kind of a notebook open and he asks me to put my license number in column 1, my name in column 2, where I will be sitting, etc., and that was that. "Have a good time, enjoy the show, yadda blah".

I kind of liked that system. Where they allow guns but want to know who has them and where they are - works for me!

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That was interesting to hear. I haven't been to a movie theater in or around Houston in many years so I now wonder is this happening in or around Houston.
I don't know how I could tell the guy over there where I would be sitting till I was inside the theater though.

I do think I could probably leave my gun in my car and still feel safe doing so going into that theater. But then I thought what about when I was leaving the theater and I didn't have my gun for protection on me. A real nut job knowing the theater scans for guns might think those coming out of theater could be easy pickings. LOL But that might cause him, like in your case, to be surprised by someone having a gun.

Stopping gun violence, mass shootings, could be greatly slowed without to much effort but that obviously isn't the desire wanted. I would feel much safer going into a theater that protects people like the one you described. Same thing in schools.....it is about time schools weren't safe zones for shooters. Some people just can't get past ignorance I guess.
 
I'm not comfortable with that. I carry concealed because I want to keep a low profile. I don't want anyone to know I'm armed. I can see a procedure like the one you went through making me stand out, possibly even "marked" by fellow patrons as being armed. Also worrisome is my personal information being collected by a private party.

I do have a bit of a conundrum with theater-going. I enjoy going to the theater to watch movies, but the last hold-out near me finally put up "no guns" signs, and they carry the force of law. While I won't say I'll never go to the theater again, I will likely be much more circumspect with regards to what movies I'll watch and when since I can't carry there.
 
Of course I had a handgun with me so I was not sure what to do; the car wasn't that far away if I had to leave and toss the gun into the trunk. But this just seems different so I approached a police officer and explained my dilemma.

"Are you law enforcement?"

"No - CHL".

Permits issued outside of NYC are not valid in NYC unless a special license is issued granting validity. ...

How did you pull this off ?????????????
 
First, it was live theater. Not a movie. Which explains how they knew where I was sitting.

Second, most folks paid ZERO attention to what was happening except to themselves and, believe it or not, folks are so inured to searches these days that it was a no-brainer for all of them.

Third, they didn't take my address.

Fourth, if I was a patron I'd be happy to know there were armed patrons if needed. Being "marked" is irrelevant to me plus, really, this is Texas, nobody cares as much as you might think, even the anti-gunners.
Assuming they paid enough attention to realize what was happening.

Fifth, my profile was scarcely raised one iota. I didn't care one bit about it and neither did anyone else.

Sixth - in case I was unclear:

Permits issued outside of NYC are not valid in NYC unless a special license is issued granting validity. ...

How did you pull this off ?????????????
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I used NYC as an example. I was not in NY, I was in Dallas.

However, I did pull that off once, in 1999, in NYC. I don't care to get that lucky again so I never carry a gun to NYC the way I used to.
 
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COMMENTS, YEAH, GOT ANY PROOF FOR THOSE "CLAIMS".

ISCS Yoda said:
If you go to NYC you know that every building has a metal detector and every event has one, too. Their paranoia has no limits.

EVER been to NY? There are an awful lot of buildings, for "EVERY ONE" to have a metal detector. :rolleyes: NOT California, Mass, etc. Just NY? CONSPIRACY THEORY FLAG THROWN. :D MAYBE they were wanding for non theater bought candy? ;)
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NO that is complete BS. Taking names and numbers is what Hitler did. I have no problem showing my concealed permit, but my cooperation ends there. If that is not codified in state or federal law, then it must be stated on the ticket stub as a defacto contract to use there facilities and you need to know ahead of time and make the choice when you buy the ticket.

Screw that!
 
petemacmahon said:
NO that is complete BS. Taking names and numbers is what Hitler did. I have no problem showing my concealed permit, but my cooperation ends there. If that is not codified in state or federal law, then it must be stated on the ticket stub as a defacto contract to use there facilities and you need to know ahead of time and make the choice when you buy the ticket.

Screw that!
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Oh....i'm sure Dallas is gonna jump right on that :eek::eek:
 
petemacmahon said:
NO that is complete BS. Taking names and numbers is what Hitler did. I have no problem showing my concealed permit, but my cooperation ends there. If that is not codified in state or federal law, then it must be stated on the ticket stub as a defacto contract to use there facilities and you need to know ahead of time and make the choice when you buy the ticket.

Screw that!
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Nahhhh.....it's just theater security and, REMEMBER, it is private property and a private property owner can do whatever it wants to secure the property - anything legal is permitted.

And Hitler didn't take names and numbers. He ASSIGNED numbers and TOOK AWAY names. Big difference.
 
EVER been to NY? There are an awful lot of buildings, for "EVERY ONE" to have a metal detector. NOT California, Mass, etc. Just NY? CONSPIRACY THEORY FLAG THROWN. MAYBE they were wanding for non theater bought candy?
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I am referring to EVERY SINGLE MAJOR OFFICE BUILDING in NYC - MANHATTAN - and ALMOST every tourist locale as well. Let me note that the office buildings in NYC that I tend to walk into when I am there are not little trashy buildings in Hell's Kitchen, they are modern, up to date business offices, sometimes with tourist attractions included, sometimes not.

Since I don't go into office buildings in other locations in NYC's five boroughs I cannot speak to Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, or the Bronx. But I'd wager it is the same.

No conspiracy - not at all. I have no reason to go to California or Massachusetts so I do not do so. I am in NYC three or four times a year. I don't make this stuff up.
 
ISCS Yoda said:
Okay, whatever. I do it and when I get to "man standing over there" he has a kind of a notebook open and he asks me to put my license number in column 1, my name in column 2, where I will be sitting, etc., and that was that. "Have a good time, enjoy the show, yadda blah". I kind of liked that system. Where they allow guns but want to know who has them and where they are - works for me! Comments?
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Keep in mind that when enough people so readily consent to this kind of "processing"...then over time it becomes the norm. Norms don't last forever...so what concessions will we make in the future? Maybe have to wear a brightly colored sticker so we can readily be identified in a crowd? In short, it is still the old "give em and inch and they'll take a mile." JMHO of course.
 
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Keep in mind that when enough people so readily consent to this kind of "processing"...then over time it becomes the norm. Norms don't last forever...so what concessions will we make in the future? Maybe have to wear a brightly colored sticker so we can readily be identified in a crowd? In short, it is still the old "give em and inch and they'll take a mile." JMHO of course.
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I think that American society is WAY WAY WAY past the point where readily consenting to these types of procedures is not considered "the norm". They have already taken "the mile" in the name of security. Zillions of us take off our shoes to pass through airport security, we are "wanded" there as well, or go through machines that xray us. Zillions of us get wanded or go through metal detectors in every major sports arena in the country. We get wanded or go through metal detectors at state fairs, amusement parks, and a host of other venues. Nobody complains, nobody blinks - everyone just grins and bears it.

So, if it concerns anyone that a theater would wand its patrons for security purposes you're living in the past. They check for all sorts of weapons, knives, guns, and bombs. Etcetera. IT IS DEFINITELY THE NORM.
 
500SNW said:
Maybe have to wear a brightly colored sticker so we can readily be identified in a crowd?
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Got you covered:

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:D
 
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