Do recent events alter your perspective?
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sigp220.45
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Adding a few to my list: Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Kentucky are ‘shall issue’ states who trust their gun toting citizens. I am fairly sure there are additional states that trust their citizens to engage in lawful activities whilst engaging in another.
PS: I do know PA and KY are actually Commonwealths.
Be safe.
Colorado lets its CCWers carry in bars and even have a drink or two. You just can’t be “under the influence” which is not defined.
Put your seat belt it's going to get rough. Without getting dinged all one has to do is look across the political landscape. Please no comments.
These are secular sources and not biblical prophecy.
According to Economists Martin Armstrong his cycles show Civil War for 2024/2025.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com
We are in the Fourth Turning according to Professors Strauss and Howe. Cycles of history.
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These are secular sources and not biblical prophecy.
According to Economists Martin Armstrong his cycles show Civil War for 2024/2025.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com
We are in the Fourth Turning according to Professors Strauss and Howe. Cycles of history.
[ame]https://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-American-Prophecy-Rendezvous/dp/0767900464/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=CjwKCAjw7anqBRALEiwAgvGgm1qKyHN3IsWaR9ldPG_DWcDodhItfcLgqfnjwsoeLzyyxH_3a8gRWhoCoXkQAvD_BwE&hvadid=174250504296&hvdev=t&hvlocphy=9052568&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4438344007982438092&hvtargid=aud-647006051489%3Akwd-133030482&hydadcr=22537_9636736&keywords=the+fourth+turning&qid=1565231083&s=gateway&sr=8-1[/ame]
CAJUNLAWYER
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Actually I picked up a new vehicle to keep handy and has everything I need inside, but finding parking places up front is kind of tough..
Does it come with the towing package??
CAJUNLAWYER
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Guns, saloons, sporting women, drunken cowboys playing poker and injun fighting is what made this country GREAT. Might be time to get back to the basics.
Ματθιας;140510163 said:
Aren’t there little green aliens where you live that could attack you with nuclear ray-guns? I’m impressed you are willing to face them unarmed......
sigp220.45
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If the WalMart figure of 3000 people in the store is right, and your figure of 3.5% is correct then there should have been approximately 105 CCW folks there (personally I think Wally World would be over represented in CCWs). Half of that figure puts 52 guns in the store.
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There you go again. Trying to derail a good internet forum argument with facts.
Remember the geographic location, community, and our general disdain for spending any more time in a crowded WM than absolutely essential, and I'd bet on 10 or less. We do know there was one - the serviceman who gathered up kids and got them out of the way.
keith44spl
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More insanity yesterday in Missouri.
It's getting crazy out there.....Man at Wal-Mart scaring folks.
Armed off-duty firefighter holds suspect at gun point till police can arrive.
Armed off-duty firefighter halts armed suspect at Walmart store in Missouri, police say | Fox News
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And Springfield resident Julie Baher was there to watch as it all unfolded.
Baher had driven around the back of Walmart when she heard a voice say, “Is that a real rifle?” This instantly got her attention, then she noticed a man with a gun. “My gaze followed the direction of his gun and I saw across from me a young man with his hands up. … Then the man to my left said, ‘Why are you walking around Walmart wearing tactical jacket, holding an assault rifle?’
"Then I just kind of froze.”
Baher felt protected by the former firefighter as he stood by her car, “He made me feel like he was protecting me because he kind of stood right next to my car. I was really nervous. I didn't understand what was going on. I didn't realize he was not a police officer.” Baher said it wasn’t until later that she discovered that he was an ex-firefighter who had his gun on him.
“I was comforted knowing that there were people around me just ready to disarm him and do what needed to be done.”
After the incident Baher says the Walmart employees were still “shaken up.” “It was very strange to walk into the store because life had just started to go on as normal as if nothing had happened. People were in the store shopping. I could tell that the employees were pretty shaken up and I talked to my cashier about it. But when I walked outside again, the police were all over the place."
She said the Springfield police were super calm, and couldn’t have hoped for a better outcome.
As for the former firefighter, he has been hailed as a hero.
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It's getting crazy out there.....Man at Wal-Mart scaring folks.
Armed off-duty firefighter holds suspect at gun point till police can arrive.
Armed off-duty firefighter halts armed suspect at Walmart store in Missouri, police say | Fox News
**
And Springfield resident Julie Baher was there to watch as it all unfolded.
Baher had driven around the back of Walmart when she heard a voice say, “Is that a real rifle?” This instantly got her attention, then she noticed a man with a gun. “My gaze followed the direction of his gun and I saw across from me a young man with his hands up. … Then the man to my left said, ‘Why are you walking around Walmart wearing tactical jacket, holding an assault rifle?’
"Then I just kind of froze.”
Baher felt protected by the former firefighter as he stood by her car, “He made me feel like he was protecting me because he kind of stood right next to my car. I was really nervous. I didn't understand what was going on. I didn't realize he was not a police officer.” Baher said it wasn’t until later that she discovered that he was an ex-firefighter who had his gun on him.
“I was comforted knowing that there were people around me just ready to disarm him and do what needed to be done.”
After the incident Baher says the Walmart employees were still “shaken up.” “It was very strange to walk into the store because life had just started to go on as normal as if nothing had happened. People were in the store shopping. I could tell that the employees were pretty shaken up and I talked to my cashier about it. But when I walked outside again, the police were all over the place."
She said the Springfield police were super calm, and couldn’t have hoped for a better outcome.
As for the former firefighter, he has been hailed as a hero.
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The followup headline may ultimately read "Armed off-duty firefighter faces assault and unlawful detention charges for pointing gun at man engaged in lawful activity . . ."
Just from what I've read in local news sources and from talking to a couple people I know in that part of the state, this seems to be an open carrier gone wrong. He was videoing his stroll through the store. When the alarm sounded, he, like the others, left via an emergency exit. Most active shooters don't come in and get a cart, but then again, most open carriers don't wear body armor (or what probably was just a tactical vest, we'll have to wait and see).
I don't care if you want to open carry or not, but in lots of areas of the country, even where it's perfectly legal and has been for years, if you sling a rifle in a crowded place, you're gonna face a significant chance of causing an evacuation and getting a pistol or three pointed at you . . .
Just from what I've read in local news sources and from talking to a couple people I know in that part of the state, this seems to be an open carrier gone wrong. He was videoing his stroll through the store. When the alarm sounded, he, like the others, left via an emergency exit. Most active shooters don't come in and get a cart, but then again, most open carriers don't wear body armor (or what probably was just a tactical vest, we'll have to wait and see).
I don't care if you want to open carry or not, but in lots of areas of the country, even where it's perfectly legal and has been for years, if you sling a rifle in a crowded place, you're gonna face a significant chance of causing an evacuation and getting a pistol or three pointed at you . . .
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joeintexas
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Well let's see, body amour, assault rifle, handgun, over 100 rounds of ammo. Not your normal going shopping attire, even at Walmart, however, I can't begin to tell you how many times I've been assaulted by the Vidalia Onions while strolling through the produce section. And don't even get me started on the candy isle. That low life was either in there with a plan to cause massive trouble or a serious need for attention. I think he got that. We can beat the open carry is legal argument till we're blue in the face but what ever happen to common sense (which isn't that common anymore). Appearing like that in a Walmart no less right after a mass shooting!
keith44spl
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Your right.......
Some idiot wanting attention or just trying to get his nerve up, one or the other.
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Your right.......
Some idiot wanting attention or just trying to get his nerve up, one or the other.
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Being an insensitive jerk is legal.
Can't fix stupid...........
In Pa. open carry is legal except in Philadelphia County/city..... not really an issue in rural areas....but IMO discretion is the better part of valor.....
I got my concealed carry permit over 40 years ago (right out of Law School) so I could carry concealed as I roamed around in Penn's Woods........ over the next decade I carried more and more in the urban areas where I lived and practiced.
In Pa. open carry is legal except in Philadelphia County/city..... not really an issue in rural areas....but IMO discretion is the better part of valor.....
I got my concealed carry permit over 40 years ago (right out of Law School) so I could carry concealed as I roamed around in Penn's Woods........ over the next decade I carried more and more in the urban areas where I lived and practiced.
Same old model 36 I've carried for years.
I don't really like autoloaders for carry. Too many things to go wrong.
When I need reliability, I want the reliability of a hammer.
I don't really like autoloaders for carry. Too many things to go wrong.
When I need reliability, I want the reliability of a hammer.
LVSteve
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I have yet to see a definitive source on that. Do you have a link?
LVSteve
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It matters not whether these recent attacks were truly lone wolf or not. The victims are just as dead, and so might you and I be if we were there.
The use of body armor by at least one perp is interesting as it suggests they are aware that many folk have a CCW and will fight back. Then there are the jihadist types. The thought of a backpack or vest suicide bomber in a crowded place should be at least as much a worry as a single yahoo with a gun. See Manchester and Ariana Grande on Google for further information.
As for those who think it would be OK to ban certain classes of weapons, all I can say is that I'm from England, and I KNOW that you don't let government get a foot in the door on any subject related to guns.
The use of body armor by at least one perp is interesting as it suggests they are aware that many folk have a CCW and will fight back. Then there are the jihadist types. The thought of a backpack or vest suicide bomber in a crowded place should be at least as much a worry as a single yahoo with a gun. See Manchester and Ariana Grande on Google for further information.
As for those who think it would be OK to ban certain classes of weapons, all I can say is that I'm from England, and I KNOW that you don't let government get a foot in the door on any subject related to guns.
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