Red Flag Laws

[Walkingwolf]

Yet people worldwide play the same video games and watch the same movies as people do here, without the effects attributed by multiple posters here. The gaming and movies causes mass shooting incidents isnt going to fly. It reeks of a desperate attempt to blame an easy target for mass shooting incidents in the United States. The same applies to attempts to blame mental illnees and medications used to treat it. Again people all over the world have the same mental illnesses as here and take the same medication. And no im not a gamer not do i make any money on gaming wholesale or retail. And no im not in favor of red flag laws as are currently being passed without sufficient due process.

Parents around the world raise their children vastly different then the US. They probably are not using a violent video game for a babysitter. In the 80's it was mostly pinball machines at arcades, parents would drop off their kids, and just leave them there. Having the games in the home is cheaper, but they still are ignoring them.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Meanwhile back a page ago .

False accusations can almost never be proven false .

Red Flaggers don't even have to alledge any actual violence, actual threats, or violation of any law . They need only state " I FELT afraid " . And try to prove someone's " feelings" weren't good faith .

What initial Investagation ? The complaining Redflagger has to utter an account that is potentially plausible, and includes the phrase " I FELT afraid " , to initiate an Ex Parte ERPO .

Every state has some form of involuntary psychiatric examinations . If they're actually crazy , this would at least get them seen by a headshrinker , an ERPO wouldn't .

Every state already has versions of protective orders Many of them inherently require the siezing of firearms, the rest prohibit the possession of firearms for the duration, at minimum .

 

[LPD256]

Question for the masses. Assume you know a retired soldier struggling with some PTSD from the last 20 years of combat activity. Should that veteran go to the VA, obtain needed meds, and risk having that reported as a potential “red flag” situation? Will the VA be obligated to report? If he has divorce proceedings will it be used against him/her in court causing a “red flag? It seems like there are many questions.

 

[rednichols]

The first big first person shooter game “Doom” was introduced in 1993. The murder rate was 9.5 per 100,000. There were others (Wolfenstein 3D) but Doom was the breakthrough.

Since then probably a billion FPS games have been sold. Call of Duty is over 250 million just for that franchise.

The murder rate in 2016 was 5.3 per 100,000.

Clearly, violent first person shooter games cut crime and the answer is for more of them, and possibly mandatory play in government run fun camps.

(For the sarcasm deficient, that last paragraph was meant in jest)

Now that I’ve solved that problem we can all get along again.

PS - I played Doom once on my Compaq computer when it first came out. I got motion sickness so bad I barfed and had to lay down with a wet cloth on my head. I haven’t played one since.

Sarcasm duly noted. If you had read my post that is number 127 here you would have seen that the SHOOTERS made the connection between their murders and Doom, and with.Natural Born Killers. That's pretty compelling.

 

[Old TexMex]

Video game sales have steadily increased since 1998, violent crime by users of video games has decreased.Video Games & Violence Infographics - Violent Video Games - ProCon.org
I don’t like the idea of violent video games. I know that simulators are used to replicate combat situations in certain agencies, including our armed forces, just the same as sports training.
I also don’t really accept that the games make people crazy. I DO know that drugs make people crazy, just like drugs can help people with medical/ mental problems.
The red flag laws cannot be used just because someone is playing violent video games, so-the video game issue is hardly related to the red flag issue.

 

[Mack_C85]

Video game sales have steadily increased since 1998, violent crime by users of video games has decreased.Video Games & Violence Infographics - Violent Video Games - ProCon.org
I don’t like the idea of violent video games. I know that simulators are used to replicate combat situations in certain agencies, including our armed forces, just the same as sports training.
I also don’t really accept that the games make people crazy. I DO know that drugs make people crazy, just like drugs can help people with medical/ mental problems.
The red flag laws cannot be used just because someone is playing violent video games, so-the video game issue is hardly related to the red flag issue.

I'm glad you think so......I'm not so confident.

There have already been documented cases of red flags issued in MD on very flimsy, if not down right untrue, reports. Buy, hey they were claimed to be "in good faith" so the reporting person has total immunity under MD law.

On its own maybe not, but I could definitely see it listed as one of several reasons that someone is a "threat".

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[Rule3]

Not directly 2nd amendment but on the topic of Red Flags and deviant, violent behavior.
Where are the red flags laws for all the serial killers that are known and those who are yet still out there?? How many have been killed or raped? These are occurring all the time but since it is not all in one group or at the same time, they don't make the headlines! Same with drugs and all the deaths every day in inner cities.


Point is, Red Flag laws are not going to stop anything, nor is banning a certain type or firearm.
It's all a "we have to do something" look what we did thing.

 

[Gamecock]

3 pages of chatter about video games . . . but no one actually said video games are a problem.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[rednichols]

3 pages of chatter about video games . . . but no one actually said video games are a problem.

Wow. Just wow.

Quoting from President Trump's speech of 05 August 2019:

"Second, we must stop the glorification of violence in our society. This includes the gruesome and grisly video games that are now commonplace. It is too easy today for troubled youth to surround themselves with a culture that celebrates violence. We must stop or substantially reduce this, and it has to begin immediately. Cultural change is hard, but each of us can choose to build a culture that celebrates the inherent worth and dignity of every human life. That’s what we have to do."

You've not done your homework. Nor have you read the (admittedly lots of) posts before yours, that do cite LOTS of connections between the two; and the thread that is running in parallel to this one on this subforum.

Here is all of the President's speech, so you can get up to speed (also assuming you'll read it, a big assumption it appears):

View attachment 2019 president trump.pdf

 

[rednichols]

Now, a real-time revue of risk factors that all could be considered 'red flags' subject to laws in USA:

There could have been three more mass shootings if these men weren't stopped, authorities say - CNN

"Authorities this weekend announced they had foiled three potential mass shootings after arresting three men in different states who expressed interest in or threatened to carry them out. All three cases were brought to authorities' attention thanks to tips from the public."

So: an unfortunate opportunity for us to see what will be learned about the three suspects, as it is discovered; and which of the President's 'fixes' are being applied in the process.

 

[delcrossv]

Quoting from President Trump's speech of 05 August 2019:

"Second, we must stop the glorification of violence in our society. This includes the gruesome and grisly video games that are now commonplace. It is too easy today for troubled youth to surround themselves with a culture that celebrates violence. We must stop or substantially reduce this, and it has to begin immediately. Cultural change is hard, but each of us can choose to build a culture that celebrates the inherent worth and dignity of every human life. That’s what we have to do."

You've not done your homework. Nor have you read the (admittedly lots of) posts before yours, that do cite LOTS of connections between the two; and the thread that is running in parallel to this one on this subforum.

Here is all of the President's speech, so you can get up to speed (also assuming you'll read it, a big assumption it appears):

View attachment 410186

A link would be more helpful as that pdf is tiny.

Speech

 

[rednichols]

A link would be more helpful as that pdf is tiny.

Speech

Boy are you right! Tiny is an understatement. My first time attaching a PDF on this forum and I see that the forum turns it into postage-stamp-sized jpg -- crazy, pointless; and I won't make that mistake again .

Thanks for the link. And here are the pages as jpgs:

 

[Old TexMex]

Red, most of your images show up as postage stamps, everyone elses expand when tapped, but yours don’t.
I’m sure it’s because I use Ipad. Just saying...

 

[gman51]

First of all we are being lied to about the masses want gun control. They can't begin to make me believe millions of gun owners want gun control. They also can't make me believe guns themselves are the problem. This gun control ignorance is all about taking the guns away from the people.
Until the people make a stand for their Constitutional rights then they will continue to become more and more defenseless. There can be no revolution if the people are defenseless. That's the end game agenda of gun control.

 

[rednichols]

Quoting from President Trump's speech of 05 August 2019:

"Second, we must stop the glorification of violence in our society. This includes the gruesome and grisly video games that are now commonplace. It is too easy today for troubled youth to surround themselves with a culture that celebrates violence. We must stop or substantially reduce this, and it has to begin immediately. Cultural change is hard, but each of us can choose to build a culture that celebrates the inherent worth and dignity of every human life. That’s what we have to do."

You've not done your homework. Nor have you read the (admittedly lots of) posts before yours, that do cite LOTS of connections between the two; and the thread that is running in parallel to this one on this subforum.

Here is all of the President's speech, so you can get up to speed (also assuming you'll read it, a big assumption it appears):

View attachment 410186

My 'local' newspaper, which actually has nationwide readership and is owned by Rupert Murdoch; and daily features articles from the Wall Street Journal that he also owns, has been running a series of full page articles about the shooter in New Zealand.

Understandable, because the shooter is Australian. In one of the article the researcher points out that the shooter moved to New Zealand so that he could acquire a rifle and then learn how to use the real thing there. That is, he moved to New Zealand because he didn't have the means to commit such a murder in Australia.

Yesterday's article (I'd offer a link but mine is a hard copy and their online site requires a subscription) leads with 16 paragraphs about the shooter's immersion in first-person shooter video games. A few quotes:

"He carried out those attacks with a GoPro video camera strapped to his head -- the vision live-streamed and watched in the same way gamers watch top players of first-person shooting games online. He provided commentary of his own massacre as if he was partly in a vido game and partly back on the 8chan message boards. When police arrested him on a Christchurch street minutes after he fired his last shot, there was one thing he wanted to know. "How many did I kill?". For him it was not an odd question to ask. In the game Battlefield 4 alone, he made 4,198 kills by the time he last logged out of the game. Of those, 503 were from headshots, his longest 'kill streak' is recorded as 25, and he took 36 'dog tags' by killing other players in knife attacks. He started playing the first-person shooter game in 2013. That was just one of more than 120 games he has owned since 2004 where he would shoot soldiers, zombies and terrorists for hours on end."

His mother received a text from him saying he was about to do something terrible that she would hear about. Knowing she had tried so hard to get him out of that world, she suspected and went to the local police station. It was closed. By the time officers from another station reached her the massacre had played out.

 

[BC38]

Excellent post Red.
Anybody who claims no connection between graphic game violence and the real thing is intentionally and pointedly burying their head in the sand.

 

[mh51]

I've contacted my senators and representative to tell them I oppose "red flag laws" without serious judicial reviews and due process hearings. As a retired cop, I have seen a few search warrant affidavits that had false/embellished information in order to persuade a judge to issue the warrant.
Our rights under the 2nd and 4th amendment must be protected against over-zealous police and activist judges!

 

[Gamecock]

Excellent post Red.
Anybody who claims no connection between graphic game violence and the real thing is intentionally and pointedly burying their head in the sand.

Ciriusly? You really think the brothers in Chicago play video games?

 

[BC38]

Ciriusly? You really think the brothers in Chicago play video games?

If you're talking about the Chiraq gang bangers that murder each other by the hundreds every year, then yeah, probably. When they're not out doing it for real.
But even if they don't, the exception doesn't disprove the rule. Not many things in life where one can definitively say "always" - or "never".
FWIW, your flippancy adds nothing to your credibility - at all - seriously.

 

[Gamecock]

Here's how many people are playing games in America - Polygon

'155 million Americans regularly play video games.'

So all Americans will be dead within two years.