Red Flag Laws

[ancient-one]

I read in today's Oklahoman that a Oklahoma State Senator is introducing a Bill that would void any Federal Reg Flag laws. I think that it will probably pass but I wonder how it would hold up in court.
Something should be put in place to take care of those cases where a person is writing on the interest or expressing elsewhere that they intend to do something to harm others. Some care has to be used when writing the laws.

 

[BC38]

Here's how many people are playing games in America - Polygon

'155 million Americans regularly play video games.'

So all Americans will be dead within two years.

Yes, but as previously stated, the exception doesn't disprove the rule.
Not everyone who plays violent video games goes over the edge, and not every one who commits a mass shooting plays violent video games (only 99% do ).

So your flippant statements aren't really relevant to a serious discussion of the topic. Other than to say that with 155 million playing these violent games, it is inevitable that a small percentage with serious mental illness that already makes them prone to violence will cross the line from acting out violent fantasies into acting out a violent reality.

 

[rednichols]

Here's how many people are playing games in America - Polygon

'155 million Americans regularly play video games.'

So all Americans will be dead within two years.

You're not thinking. The connection is between the violent, first-person shooter games and those that President Trump is describing as 'mentally ill'; the rest of us would likely call them sociopaths and psychopaths. These are folks who don't see you as human; and part of their illness is to act out their fantasy promised to them in these video games; and the games have taught them to kill these people.

That's why President Trump didn't say one word about gun control. The guns aren't the problem at all.

The problem, vs. the connection, is that all those promulgating films and games that teach the wrong sort of people that they can solve their day-to-day problems with killing -- didn't realize they were doing this. Columbine was the wake-up call, and America was asleep when it came! These have been on the rise ever since.

Films like Kingsman don't have killing with guns etc. as part of the storyline; it IS the storyline. I was promised a comedy and got horror. If a film scene can proffer a good meal and a healthy mind can get the idea to have dinner after the film, another scene about mass murder can sure proffer a different kind of 'good time' to an unhealthy mind.

The Toy Story film series is entirely built around selling actual toys. Woody dolls aplenty -- and no evil gun in his holster. Ever. Buzz Lightyear? C'mon, films SELL with their storylines, from save the planet to buy the toy.

I'm not convinced that you have even read the prior posts, which are well reasoned and evidentiary on the subject.

 

[Muss Muggins]

The statistics in this link are inclusive of all types of video games . . .

Here's how many people are playing games in America - Polygon

'155 million Americans regularly play video games.'

So all Americans will be dead within two years.

 

[stansdds]

I read in today's Oklahoman that a Oklahoma State Senator is introducing a Bill that would void any Federal Reg Flag laws. I think that it will probably pass but I wonder how it would hold up in court.
Something should be put in place to take care of those cases where a person is writing on the interest or expressing elsewhere that they intend to do something to harm others. Some care has to be used when writing the laws.

States cannot ignore, void, or exempt themselves from federal law. That's the way it has been, but then there is federal law classifying marijuana as a Schedule I drug and therefore unlawful to manufacture, distribute, possess or use, yet many states legalized medicinal and even recreational use of marijuana. I do not see the DOJ sending officers to these states to enforce federal law, so I dunno.

 

[Maddog 521]

Fort Worth Mayor----

Mayor Betsy Price of Fort Worth Texas said "if the Red Flag Laws are implemented a data base of every American will be necessary for the state of Texas". She says just having a data base of your state will not work. She is pro gun and I think she is putting this out there for everyone to see.
We must fight this in every way possible.

 

[dockmurgw]

States cannot ignore, void, or exempt themselves from federal law.

And then there's immigration laws, universally ignored and impeded by states red and blue alike.

 

[Muss Muggins]

What I have read is that there will be no federal “red flag” laws. Rather, the proposed bill creates grants and other funding for states to enact their own laws. If it’s like federal highway funding and DWI breath alcohol limits, it may also deny other funding to states that don’t . . .

States cannot ignore, void, or exempt themselves from federal law. That's the way it has been, but then there is federal law classifying marijuana as a Schedule I drug and therefore unlawful to manufacture, distribute, possess or use, yet many states legalized medicinal and even recreational use of marijuana. I do not see the DOJ sending officers to these states to enforce federal law, so I dunno.

 

[BC38]

And then there's immigration laws, universally ignored and impeded by states red and blue alike.

Not only ignored or impeded but loudly publicly DEFIED - and by entities as small as city governments.

 

[rednichols]

Today's Democrat presidential (nothing presidential, or democratic, about them) debates being over, I'll go out on a limb and say that gun owners have nothing to fear from the Trump administration right the way through the 2020 election. He's not going to throw any part of the Constitution under the bus and you with it.

Yet if November 2020 goes sour then, from what the Democrat candidates had to say -- God help you all.

 

[stansdds]

The governor of California, Gavin Newsom, has announced that he is open to the expansion of the classes of people who could file a red flag order against an individual. Currently, only family and law enforcement officials can seek such an order, but that may expand to school teachers, school administrators, and employers. Red flag laws sounded nice, but where will its expansions end? Pandora's Box has been opened.

California could expand use of gun violence restraining orders - Los Angeles Times

 

[delcrossv]

Red flag laws sounded nice, but where will its expansions end?

They'll stop when all the guns are confiscated. That's the real purpose behind these laws, despite their purported purpose.

I for one never thought they sounded "nice". 4th and 5th Amendment due process infringements never sound "nice".

 

[vt_shooter]

They'll stop when all the guns are confiscated. That's the real purpose behind these laws, despite their purported purpose.

After guns they'll move onto knives, similar to what's happening in the U.K. The U.K. has few guns, so now they have programs asking people to turn in knives.

 

[rednichols]

The governor of California, Gavin Newsom, has announced that he is open to the expansion of the classes of people who could file a red flag order against an individual. Currently, only family and law enforcement officials can seek such an order, but that may expand to school teachers, school administrators, and employers. Red flag laws sounded nice, but where will its expansions end? Pandora's Box has been opened.

California could expand use of gun violence restraining orders - Los Angeles Times

I want to agree with you; but it does seem that the President is onto something with Red flag laws. Many have been called out just since the Texas shootings. A lot like the war on terror, many have been foiled rather than defended against.

The father in the Canadian killings recently, the mother in the New Zealand killings, the mother in one of the Texas shootings -- these 'adults' tried to raise red flags and failed because there was no system to recognize their positioning to recognize trouble better than anyone else. Wouldn't we like to prevent rather than convict? We know the guns aren't causing it, so rather than banning guns, let's ban crazed shooters.

 

[Mack_C85]

I want to agree with you; but it does seem that the President is onto something with Red flag laws. Many have been called out just since the Texas shootings. A lot like the war on terror, many have been foiled rather than defended against.



The father in the Canadian killings recently, the mother in the New Zealand killings, the mother in one of the Texas shootings -- these 'adults' tried to raise red flags and failed because there was no system to recognize their positioning to recognize trouble better than anyone else. Wouldn't we like to prevent rather than convict? We know the guns aren't causing it, so rather than banning guns, let's ban crazed shooters.

The biggest falsehood of red flag laws, is they unconstitutionally confiscate one group of inanimate objects, while the real problem, the supposedly deranged person, is free to carry out his threats with his household knives, automobiles, and any one of a thousand other readily available dangerous items!!!

Make no mistake, this is all about gun confiscation, and has absolutely nothing to do with crime control.

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[Texas40]

What I will say is that nearly every mass shooter in recent years exhibited signs of mental instability, and most should have been hospitalized and addressed way before the trigger got pulled. The Dayton shooter is a prime example. Properly administered, these laws are a good thing. Of course “properly administered” is a moving target . . .

Really its a good thing to have your rights trampled on.

When did innocent til proven guilty become guilty til you can prove your innocence.
RFLs wont stop a single mass killing
Sorry.
Same as mag restrictions and AWBs dont stop anything.

Totally opposed to RFLs as we all should be.




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[rednichols]

And now we have the 'smoking gun' from Democrats:

On the debate stage in Houston Thursday night, former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke promised to do the very thing that congressional Democrats have been promising all week not to do: Take away your guns. Well, some types of guns, anyway. “Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47,” O’Rourke said,

 

[Muss Muggins]

It's my firm opinion that what we have in this country is not a gun problem, but a mental health diagnosis and treatment problem. Your comments are duly noted . . .

Really its a good thing to have your rights trampled on.

When did innocent til proven guilty become guilty til you can prove your innocence.
RFLs wont stop a single mass killing
Sorry.
Same as mag restrictions and AWBs dont stop anything.

Totally opposed to RFLs as we all should be.




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[stansdds]

It's my firm opinion that what we have in this country is not a gun problem, but a mental health diagnosis and treatment problem. Your comments are duly noted . . .

Gotta agree! A firearm is a tool, just like a knife, screwdriver, hammer, axe, machete, etc. It's not the tool's fault, it is the user at fault. Confiscate one tool, but the faulty user still has many other tools for use in carrying out acts of violence. Red flag laws are a nice idea, it feels good to enact them, but the danger is that their scope will grow exponentially and we will find ourselves living without a Bill of Rights.

 

[ladder13]

And now we have the 'smoking gun' from Democrats:

On the debate stage in Houston Thursday night, former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke promised to do the very thing that congressional Democrats have been promising all week not to do: Take away your guns. Well, some types of guns, anyway. “Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47,” O’Rourke said,

I’ve always known what they were all about for decades.