max503
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Looks like a 45 acp revolver that was made into a snub nose. I don't see anything wrong with it. No need to be snobby about the snubbie.
What the heck is it? or "Stump the Chump"
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Looks to be a knock off, of a knock off.
Marshal Too Sweet
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Perfect candidate for a Fitz special, I like it.
The Colt style V spring and rebound arm lockwork is not at all unusual inside the Spanish S&W copies.
But I don't see any Spanish proofs or maker marks or initials.
The front face of the fame seems to have been mfg'd by adding a section to lengthen it forward. I think I am seeing a seam there running around the entire frame both sides.
Spanish and some other outback backyard mfg'ing facilitys could use some awkward looking methods to achieve the desired results at times.
That S&W Logo on the side plate is entirely hand cut/engraved.
Some of the lettering fades to nothing as if the engraver was unsure of the spelling . A couple letters are just the wrong guess.
re: that MADE IN' marking.
Looking closely at it,,the E in MADE and the word IN are from a Stamp or die marking.
The MAD is hand cut or a hand engraved enhanced poorly struck die stamping.
A couple of guesses as to what is going on..
Perhaps the entire marking was supposed to be was a die struct MADE IN (SPAIN ?)
The parts that marked but not entirely clearly were re=cut by hand.
The Country (assuming Spain here) didn't strike at all.
Nothing to 'touch up' so nothing was engraved there.
(It wasn't unusual for 11 and 12y/o kids to do the simple lettering and marking on many of the cottage industry guns of that time made in Spain)
Or maybe,,
The word 'Spain' might have been intended to be marked by the proof house. That was common.
Since no proof marks on the gun (yet?), maybe it just hadn't made it that far down the mfg line.
Just another guess of course.
There's the possibility the gun could be from the other side of the globe too maybe. China or Asia copy's.
Unmarked, unusual methods of mfg'r and copys of Western world lettering that sometimes makes no sense when we read it.
Interesting pistol.
I wouldn't give any gun to a gun grabber..
But I don't see any Spanish proofs or maker marks or initials.
The front face of the fame seems to have been mfg'd by adding a section to lengthen it forward. I think I am seeing a seam there running around the entire frame both sides.
Spanish and some other outback backyard mfg'ing facilitys could use some awkward looking methods to achieve the desired results at times.
That S&W Logo on the side plate is entirely hand cut/engraved.
Some of the lettering fades to nothing as if the engraver was unsure of the spelling . A couple letters are just the wrong guess.
re: that MADE IN' marking.
Looking closely at it,,the E in MADE and the word IN are from a Stamp or die marking.
The MAD is hand cut or a hand engraved enhanced poorly struck die stamping.
A couple of guesses as to what is going on..
Perhaps the entire marking was supposed to be was a die struct MADE IN (SPAIN ?)
The parts that marked but not entirely clearly were re=cut by hand.
The Country (assuming Spain here) didn't strike at all.
Nothing to 'touch up' so nothing was engraved there.
(It wasn't unusual for 11 and 12y/o kids to do the simple lettering and marking on many of the cottage industry guns of that time made in Spain)
Or maybe,,
The word 'Spain' might have been intended to be marked by the proof house. That was common.
Since no proof marks on the gun (yet?), maybe it just hadn't made it that far down the mfg line.
Just another guess of course.
There's the possibility the gun could be from the other side of the globe too maybe. China or Asia copy's.
Unmarked, unusual methods of mfg'r and copys of Western world lettering that sometimes makes no sense when we read it.
Interesting pistol.
I wouldn't give any gun to a gun grabber..
Jim Watson
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Interesting novelty, not a lot of money.
Combination of Colt and Smith lockwork was common in Spanish knockoffs. Spain did not get serious about proof marks until in the 1920s. I don't see it in Zhuk, though.
Combination of Colt and Smith lockwork was common in Spanish knockoffs. Spain did not get serious about proof marks until in the 1920s. I don't see it in Zhuk, though.
Many thanks to all that commented. My initial thoughts were like 2152hq. maybe Asian? Semi interesting snub copy.
What I do know is it's not needed in my collection and will probably go to someone that feels a need to have a Smith bootleg in theirs.
What I do know is it's not needed in my collection and will probably go to someone that feels a need to have a Smith bootleg in theirs.
keep the grips and send it to me. I catfish is some strong currents sometimes. be a great fishing weight. lee
mckenney99
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I have seen photos of different types of handguns that were made in jungle workshops in and around the Philippines. Some of the lockwork kinda/sorta resembles the lockwork of the the Armscor revolvers I've seen from the past.
LVSteve
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Did the Khyber Pass boys do revolvers, too?
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Are the grips marked on the inside? Believe it or not, they may be the most high tech part here. Molds for injection molding of plastic are high dollar investments!
I'm thinkin Khyber Pass too.
Neat fit on the sideplate. If they can make that joint look that good, you'd think they could file a screwdriver to fit.
(I realize the boogered screws may have been done by Bubba Sahib later
)
I'm thinkin Khyber Pass too.
Neat fit on the sideplate. If they can make that joint look that good, you'd think they could file a screwdriver to fit.
(I realize the boogered screws may have been done by Bubba Sahib later
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amazingflapjack
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Looking at the pinned barrel and the fit of the side plate, etc-It is interesting to me. The left side kind of looks like a RM at first glance-whew!! I wonder what the barrel length was originally. Also, the peening in the cylinder shows that this gun has been fired quite a bit I would think. Deserves investigation I would think.
I'd keep it, if nothing else it makes an interesting conversation piece.
Steve W
Steve W
Oracle
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It is certainly an unique and perplexing revolver. If I had bought it with the other estate sale guns I would keep it just to bring it out of the safe for guests to puzzle over.
LoboGunLeather
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Well...it isn't big enough for a boat anchor....
I don't have a very big boat, so I retain that option.
daglockman
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I like it. I would keep it just on GP. It would be one of the more interesting guns I own actually, since there is quite a bit of mystery going on there. I would look at it and toy with it constantly probably. I already know where all of my other firearms came from, and how they are supposed to work. If I had to guess, I wish vote it is one of those handmade guns out of the jungle also. From some unknown corner of the world if not the Philippines... I remember seeing a shipping container full of weird guns that were confiscated in Iraq. Many definitely hand made.
OLDSTER
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IMO, your revolver displays design, fit and finish, and overall quality that is much too high for some craft made, or back ally knock-off; certainly not a "boat anchor" or "paper weight". Much more research is needed here. Sure the timing is obviously off and it has endshake, but the "Coltish" leaf spring arrangement, pinned barrel, and arrangement and quality of internal parts indicate a well thought out design and very good quality. I for one am going to spend some time with this thing ( I'm thinking Spain-"Eiber Model 92", Italy, or central Europe ?), and would love to be able to find something for you.
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