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Let's please have pictures of HI Powers all Brands and variations welcome. What, in your opinion, is the best (shooter and collectible) Hi Power and why? I think that I would like a Mauser with Wermacht markings (someday). but that is a completely uninformed wish. Do HI Powers have weaknesses? Are some brands and periods (wartime) lower quality than others? Lets please hear and see from those in the know. Is there a authoritative book on Hi Powers?
 
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Pretty everything to post about Hi-Powers has already been posted. 1911forum.com has what's probably the best Hi-Power dedicated subforum on the web; you'll have fun running searches and getting lost there.

More importantly, Stephen Camp's work is the best online repository of Hi-Power knowledge on the web; enjoy.

Hi Powers and Handguns
 
I'll play! :D

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Top: Browning MK III
Center: FEG
Bottom: FM Detective Model

The Hi-Power is my absolute favorite 9mm. ;) As much as I love the standard Hi-Power, I really love that shorter Detective model. :D
 
Here's a few.
First three are Practical's:
9mm
9mm BDM (Browning Dual Mode) Can be set for DAO or SA/ Auto
40S&W
Second set are:
9mm FN Post War Thumbprint refinished in Nickel
9mm Browning all Belgium in factory Brushed Nickel
9mm Browning all Belgium in factory Silver Chrome
 

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For a shooter, I prefer the recent production Mk III version. The drawbacks (to me) are those awful three-white-bar sights, which are just TERRIBLE :(, and the equally-awful trigger. I wish I could say removing the mag disconnect is all you need to do to tidy up the trigger. It’s not. I like Cylinder & Slide’s hammer. Never yet been pinched by mine, and looks great on the gun, IMO. I’m not a big fan of the Browning ambidextrous safety lock, which is shamefully ugly on an otherwise beautiful gun, but it works - I guess. :rolleyes:
 
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I carried a MkIII in 40 from '94 to retirement for uniform duty and SRT. It was excellent - I still have and shoot it. The only modifications I did were to replace the hard plastic grips and remove the magazine disconnecter (this immediately improved the trigger pull). In 25 years and thousands of rounds I have yet to have a malfunction or replace a part.
 
A great Gun.

The tang is a bit too short on Hi-Powers, resulting in hammier bite to the web of the shooting hand. This should have been known early in the Hi-Powers life yet the manufacturers never thought to fix it.

Some of the quality aftermarket magazines with a polished blue surface allow the magazine disconnect to move more smoothly with less friction. For some, a magazine change may obviate the need to remove the disconnect.
 
I only have 1 pic of my 40 Practical, which I took in the case at the gun shop before I bought it. From the serial number, it is a 95 built gun. I took the pic, posted it here and asked if it was a decent deal and people replied saying why I hadn't picked it up already.;) Anyways, I went back the next day and bought it and I am glad I did . It's a dang nice gun and sweet to shoot.

 
I like milsurps so my only HP is a 1941 with the tangent sight. I think the graduations to 500 meters is pretty optimistic. No import marks so it could be a bring back.
 

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Decoding the FEG Hi Power is also a very good resource that covers the FEG made copies of the Hi Power.

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The FEG P9 is a very faithful copy of the pre Mk II Hi Power and has 100% parts compatibility.

The first generation P9M is a P9 with a 1911 style slide release an extended safety, and larger 3 dot sights. Other than the slide release and smaller cut in the slide, it has 100% parts compatibility with the Hi Power.

The second generation P9M uses a S&W locking system and while it looks like a Hi power it isn't and has very little parts compatibility.

Unfortunately KBI imported all of them as the PJK-9HP, so it gets confusing.

FEG made Hi Powers for both military and civilian contracts and produced them to the customer specifications with blued or parkerized finish, wood or plastic grips, round or spur hammer, and in the P9 or either P9M configuration. Their commercial pistols were almost always blued, but you'll otherwise find the widest variety in the commercial pistols as companies like KBI often were not picky about the specifics and FEG used whatever parts were on hand.

This is a commercial P9 made for KBI but it has the later P9M extended safety and larger 3 dot sights. The polish and blus is quite good and the over all quality is excellent. The FEG pistols all came with the Pre- Mk II humped feed ramp which can cause issues feeding some hollow points, but I've had excellent reliability with all four of the FEGs Hi Powers I have owned with both Hornady XTPs and Remington Golden Sabers.
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I converted a P9M to the SFS Hi Power configuration to match my factory FN SFS Hi power. Other than having to fit the restyled DFS slide stop to the 1911 style slide cut, it was no different than fitting the SFS parts to any Browning Hi Power, requiring some minor hand fitting of the safety.
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FEG also made counterfeit Browning Hi Powers for sale to mid eastern nations under arms embargoes. These have browning roll marks but can be identified by their B series 5 digit serial numbers (an FEG format). The idea was that if these arms were captured FEG would have plausible deniability.

FEG also sold FEG marked Hi Powers directly to Israel and later supplied complete parts kits to Israel for assembly in Israel. This culminated in the the Israeli Kareen.

The Hi Powers that have been imported in the last few years from Israel include a mix of FN made Hi Powers, FEG made Hi Powers, Kareen Hi Powers and some FEG counterfeit Hi Powers that were probably captured by the Israelis. Condition of these imports however is generally poor.

KBI also imported parts from FEG with the final machining and assembly completed in the US, with KBI selling them under their Charles Daly brand. The first 500 or so were completed by Dan Wesson and and the remaining 2500 or so were completed by Magnum research. These are very well made Hi Powers. The Charles Daly Hi Powers were discontinued in January 2008 and at the time they sold for around $400, compared to around $600 for an FN/Browning Hi Power. At $400 KBI was losing money on them, and at much more than $400, customers were opting for a Browning or FN made Hi Power.

KBI closed its doors in January 2010, and FEG nearly went bankrupt around the same time and stopped producing the P9 and P9M at that time. With FEG out of the Hi power business, FN/Browning Hi Power prices started climbing - to the point they stopped selling them in large enough numbers to warrant production. Competition is a good thing.

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The Argentine FM (Fabrica Militar) Hi Power was made under license from FN from about 1970 to 1990 and this included final inspection by FN staff. These Argentine made Hi Powers are actual licenced made Hi Powers meeting FN acceptance standards.
However, when that agreement expired in 1990, FM started making a clone of the Hi Power, the FM 90 with some changes such as a more 1911 looking slide. FM also started making the FM 95, a compact version of the Hi Power in 1995. The fit and finish on the FM 90 and FM 95 isn't up to FN standards but they are still good shooters.

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There are a lot of FN and Browning made variants including wartime Nazi marked Hi Powers made by FN as a subsidiary of DWN, wartime Inglis made No 1, No 2 and No 2 Mk 1* Hi Powers for Chinese, Canadian and British contracts, later British L9A1 Hi Powers, a large number of FN Hi Powers made for various police and military contracts, many with their own serial number series, the commercial C and T series Hi Powers and the later MK II and the stronger cast frame MK III Hi Powers, the latter also available in .40 S&W with a heavier slide, and the SFS Hi Power, and in epoxy and various polished blue and nickel plated finishes.

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Now that FEG and FN have both discontinued the Hi Power, TISAS (Trabzon Silah Sanayi A.Ş) is now making a clone of the Hi Power called the BR9 Regent. It has MK III features such as the flat feed ramp, but an older style flat safety lever. It also has dovetailed 3 dot sights but appears to be using proprietary dovetails dimension rather than the Novak dovetails used on the Mk III.

I haven't shot one of these yet, but it's on the list. Bill Laughridge from Cylinder & Slide has had nice things to say about them and other than using a slightly larger sear pin and the sights, they appear to have full parts compatibility with the FN Hi Power and are reported to be very well made. They also have a stainless steel version, which is a first for the Hi Power.
 
The tang is a bit too short on Hi-Powers, resulting in hammier bite to the web of the shooting hand. This should have been known early in the Hi-Powers life yet the manufacturers never thought to fix it.

Not enough folk in Europe with fat hands for it to be considered a problem.:D If my hands are getting mixed up with the moving parts of anything mechanical, I must be holding it wrong. This especially applies to small autos and Hi Powers.
 
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The tang is a bit too short on Hi-Powers, resulting in hammer bite to the web of the shooting hand. This should have been known early in the Hi-Powers life yet the manufacturers never thought to fix it.

Some of the quality aftermarket magazines with a polished blue surface allow the magazine disconnect to move more smoothly with less friction. For some, a magazine change may obviate the need to remove the disconnect.

If you are getting bit with a ring hammer, you are most likely holding it with too high a grip. The high grip is a more recent development that became popular long after the Hi Power was designed, so blaming FN for it is a bit misplaced.

For some folks with large hands and a lot more than average flesh between thumb and index finger, the movement of the right thumb to operate the thumb safety is what results in the grip being too high.

Hammer bite with the Hi Power is also greatly exaggerated with the small minority that get bit apparently whining very loudly about it. The same shooters who get bit by a Hi Power more often than not also get bit by the 1911 and the PP series pistols. Generally, it occurs with shooters who have both large fleshy hands and a very high grip.

The commander style ring hammer solves the problem for most shooters. If you have a spur hammer, there are a few things you can do. You can bob it about 1/8", or you can hog out the "bottom" of the hammer like Novak and Wickman both do, you you can get a no bite hammer from Cylinder and Slide. The SFS hammer is also a no bite hammer and adds an ambidextrous safety.

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But the bottom line is that for most shooters, the Hi Power offers one of the most ergonomic grips available on a double stack 9mm, especially when it has a set of Craig Spegel profile grips. Once you start adding over sized beaver tails, etc to "fix" the hammer bite, you start messing with those ergonomics. FN understood that.
 
Not enough folk in Europe with fat hands for it to be considered a problem.:D If my hands are getting mixed up with the moving parts of anything mechanical, I must be holding it wrong. This especially applies to small autos and Hi Powers.

Mine has the hammer with a spur not the rowel type. It doesn't bite.
 
.... What, in your opinion, is the best (shooter and collectible) Hi Power and why? I think that I would like a Mauser with Wermacht markings (someday). but that is a completely uninformed wish...

Just a note about this in case you weren‘t aware:

There are no Mauser Hi-Powers with Wehrmacht markings. All Nazi-marked Hi-Powers were made at FN in Belgium under the occupation. The Mauser-branded Hi-Powers that appeared much later were actually made by FEG (see BB57‘s excellent explanation).
 
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