Bought new...got used.

[Sistema1927]

Other than the fact that it was dirty, are there any other marks or signs of wear?

If not, then even though you are rightfully peeved, you have suffered no loss except for the fact that you weren't the first one to get it dirty.

 

[THEmodelof1989]

Don't make a habit out of giving anyone several hundred dollars without looking at what you are getting in return. Driving four hours with the flu to see an FFL for a bodyguard which can be bought at academy is another issue in itself. Honestly, when I read your comments it seems like you enjoy setting yourself up for failure.

Good luck with resolution and future life stuff.

 

[sandog]

These pistols are test fired, I've seen some that come from the factory more dirty than others.
You need to put 300 to 500 rounds through it for break in before you should trust your life to a new pistol. Look at it this way, some of the break in has already been done for you.

As Sistema said, your only loss it that you weren't the first person to get it dirty.
I would be more bummed if it came squeaky clean and hadn't been test fired, even more bummed if it had been shipped with a function issue because it hadn't been tested.

Ideally, factories would test fire then clean the pistols before shipping, but then it would be hard to tell if they were doing their job and test firing them.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

FWIW This was a display gun he handed me, as usual, with all the firearms I have purchased there., I did not expect that this was the gun I was purchasing. I said I would take one and he handed me the paperwork to fill out. Usually then they go into the back and grab one from stock. They had 17 on hand. From there he takes it to a different area for clerk to run background check etc. tells me it will be over there for checkout. So i go browse around while i wait on background check. I did not check the box as it was already in a vinyl store bag. Paid the clerk and left. 4 hour drive later and two days with the flu. I find out. Live and learn I guess.

I always ask for one out da back. I don't like my guns to be cooned by countless people before I buy it. All those nasty fingerprints, drool and human touch on what will become MY gun.
Down here when somebody "coons" something think a raccoon with a piece of anything as he turns it over every which a way inspecting it, washing it or whatever with those little bitty hands before he either puts it down and moves on or eats it. A very apt description of some of the behavior I have seen watching some people inspecting, dry firing, looking down the muzzle and other antics while inspecting firearms.

As far as dirty , I would certainly HOPE that any gun I but new was test fired at the factory to make sure the darn thing works. For semi's I would HOPE that it would include running at least three rounds through the magazine to make sure there are no feeding problems. SO you have any idea what these guns would cost is after test firing they were sent to be cleaned up by a tech to a customer's satisfaction??? As long at it isn't rusted {had that happen one time with a new in box 870 upon inspection at the gun shop-followed by an apology and another trip ti the back for another one) no big deal.
Also there is another school of thought that says buy the one in the display that has been handled by many thus if there was anything obviously wrong with it, it would have been discovered. I'm not in that school. If fact if forced to either buy the display or walk empty handed, I'kk try to get a few bucks cut from the price-in guns ans everything else.

 

[colt_saa]

Breach is dirty, feed ramp is dirty, muzzle has residue. Pop the magazine out.....orange follower is really black, ok...whats going on. Look at the other magazine, same thing orange follower is black as well. Field strip the firearm, definitely been fired more than test round Or two at factory.

Factories usually fire three rounds. If there is an issue with that firearm it goes back to be resolved and then comes out to fire more rounds.

A dirty guns does not mean it is a used gun.

Also as RBS_@63 mentions, from time to time a random gun is pulled from the line and shot more extensively than just a test

Looking at the past four or five years of production numbers, Smith & Wesson produces over one million firearms per year. That means that over four thousand guns need to get through QC each day.

There is just no way that QC people can look at something as closely as a new owner will. I can not imagine sitting at that job. It might be fun at the start of the day, but I can not believe that I would still be perfectly diligent after eight hours

I now also believe that they use dirty ammo during the test firing of each weapon, so I would not worry about it if the dealer says it came directly from a distributor.

I never thought of it before. but a gun that fires three rounds of the cleanest, best ammunition is not much of a gun

The gun that fires three of the dirtiest, low cost ammunition around is a better test for a flaw in the firearm

And we should not forget that many, many folks buy that cheap dirty ammunition to practice with

 

[James&theGiant1911]

Yes what @colt_saa said, I purchased a Nighthawk and it came from the factory zipped in its pouch with the fire round shell. It was zip locked through the breach but you could see that it had powder and the chamber had black residue on it. A lot of times most all firearms especially MP or PC models will be fired several times to make sure they are up to standard. Now if the gun had been shot to piss then that is something different but any firearms that have been test shot more than 2 or 3 times will have that on them. Just from my experience.

 

[S&W Rover]

As pointed out, you may not be "harmed" by this at all -- clean it, and it is yours, as if you shot it once yourself. It is a long way from wearing out.

As others have noted, too, always check a gun before receiving it. Gosh, this forum sees a lot of complaints about S&W revolvers that were taken home and found to have "clocked barrels." That means the new owner didn't inspect the gun! And, if the new owner finds it unbearable, it means that revolver has to go back to Springfield, MA in hopes the factory can fix it right.

Even mail order guns can be refused if inspected before signing for them from the FFL. But the lesson learned is to inspect the gun and if it has a problem, e.g., it is dirty enough to suggest it is really "used," then don't accept it.

By the way, I bought a M&P9 from Bud's and it showed up in a box with a white number on it... and inside was a clearly used pistol that was marked "Sheriff's Office, Jefferson Parish, Louisiana." I refused to accept it and the FFL sent it back... Bud's made it right within a day or two. They apparently sent me a police trade-in gun, presumably because of an honest mistake. It can happen!

 

[Boogs]

inside was a clearly used pistol that was marked "Sheriff's Office, Jefferson Parish, Louisiana." I refused to accept it and the FFL sent it back... Bud's made it right within a day or two. They apparently sent me a police trade-in gun, presumably because of an honest mistake. It can happen!

Rumor has it you can flash that engraving, fire two blasts in the air, and the bad guys run away.

 

[BSA1]

These pistols are test fired, I've seen some that come from the factory more dirty than others...

I would be more bummed if it came squeaky clean and hadn't been test fired, even more bummed if it had been shipped with a function issue because it hadn't been tested.

I agree. There is no reason for manufacturers not to test fire their guns before it goes out the door. If the gun was squeaky clean and then did not function correctly after being brought the buyer would be on the Internet complaining about the manufacturers lack of quality control and that they should test fire their guns before shipping them.

O.P.’s sole complaint seems to be that the gun is dirty. It apparently doesn’t have wear on the finish showing it was carried or otherwise used. I don’t own a 380 BG but I am willing to bet the owners manual recommends cleaning and oiling the gun before shooting it for the first time.

 

[mrmike7189]

I have purchased several S&W Shields and one M&Pc since 2013. All of the magazine followers have been dirty when I unboxed the guns.

Same here my new BG380's had filty magazines black powder all over the followers. They were new , just test fired. Pretty normal .

 

[stansdds]

The degree of GSR is going to depend upon the number of rounds fired during testing and the ammo that was used for testing. Some powders burn cleaner than others and cheap ammo usually leaves a lot of residue. I doubt S&W is using top self, flash suppressed ammo to test thousands and thousands of handguns each year.

 

[Northener]

After reading responses, thanks BTW, S&W lifetime warranty right, what the heck, I cleaned the BG up and preceded to fire some rounds. Neat little gun, it handled pretty good as small as it is, and I have large hands. Not much recoil as I thought it might have, about the same as than my 9mm shield. Have not weighed the pull on the trigger yet, but I will, it is smooth, but I do have trouble at times with the long length of the pull. Will give this some more time. No failures of any kind, even shot quite a few rounds of Blazer ammo known for hard primers.

 

[Boogs]

Great news, it functions, which is what you want it for, and truthfully, is likely not "used".

Ahhh all is wellll