Corona-Hysteria May Hinder Background Checks

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A three day wait would be welcome here. The last time I checked with any local stores the backlog for background checks was many days. There were almost 1100 purchases backlogged when the website was checked. Bare in mind that if you're 20th in line it seems to take forever to get to you. When it's over 1000 I can't imagine. I watched a bunch of news interviews with gun store owners and employees across the country and what they're saying is that the vast majority of their gun sales are to first time buyers. It's funny that so many people who were absolutely against guns are now lining up to buy them. In one interview with a woman in California a few days ago she was irate that she had to wait several days before she would be actually allowed to pick up her purchase (Cali has a 10 day wait period I believe). It was kind of funny to watch her screeching that "she" was a law abiding citizen. I'm sure she thought it was a great law until it applied to her.
 
It's funny that so many people who were absolutely against guns are now lining up to buy them. In one interview with a woman in California a few days ago she was irate that she had to wait several days before she would be actually allowed to pick up her purchase (Cali has a 10 day wait period I believe). It was kind of funny to watch her screeching that "she" was a law abiding citizen. I'm sure she thought it was a great law until it applied to her.


Yes! A liberal in 2018: "I hate guns!" The same liberal in March 2020: "I need a gun, now!"


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Yes! A liberal in 2018: "I hate guns!" The same liberal in March 2020: "I need a gun, now!"


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Things I heard at the gun show last weekend.

"What do mean I can't just order one on-line and have it delivered to my house?"

"This is a gunshow, why do I need to fill out a form and get a back ground check?. Isn't there a gun show loophole?"

"What do you mean I need a 'permit to purchase a handgun'?"

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More and more gun control sounds just great - until those pro gun control folks suddenly decide they want a gun of their own and want it right now.
 
I think that among those unfamiliar with buying guns there are a lot of misconceptions regarding online sales. I have heard many times from people that "anyone can just go online and buy a gun". Most of them truly believe that you can just order it and have it dropped off at your house. they watch the news and hear how easy it is to buy a gun. Quite a rude awakening when they actually try it.
 
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Sometimes people do not know how they really feel until faced with a certain circumstance. Lots of people can't think beyond their feelings until the instinct of self-preservation kicks it. That one trumps a lot of feelings.
As an example, I have a niece and nephew living and working within the D.C. beltway. They were brought up anti-gun in that same environment. As they said more than once, 'nobody needs guns these days, so get rid of all of them and the world will be a much better place.' Fast forward a decade or two, and they began having issues with a muscular half-deranged relative. What is the first thing they did? Went out and bought a gun. I offered to pay for a safety training course for them, but was greeted with 'who would need something like that?'. After telling them that they did, I gave up. But, I did get to see first-hand where human nature and panic will take people, and take them very quickly. We are facing that right now on a national level. Everyone now wants the right to defend their stuff. The results of this have a very nasty potential, and I hope we get some positive news before people start doing some really stupid things to each other that everyone will regret when the sun comes up again.
 
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JH1951. Your post hits on a subject that I have been noticing for some time. There are a lot of first time buyers who have no knowledge of how to safely handle their firearms. Previous generations grew up learning how to safely and effectively use guns. Even if you weren't a farmboy there was ROTC and the boy scouts. It was a skill that was taught as you were growing up. Now we have people buying guns who have no knowledge what so ever. More than once working behind the counter I had people wanting to buy ammo who didn't even know what their gun used. I had customers who would get outright angry and rude that I couldn't just sell them some "regular bullets". I know this will meet with some resistance here but I honestly believe that there should at least be an online safety course that you need to take before being allowed to buy your first gun. Once passed it would be good for life and would at least provide some knowledge of the basic fundementals of safe gun handling. In a lot of states (like mine) you need to pass a basic course to get your hunting license if you're a minor. It's not a big deal and I don't feel it infringes on anyone's rights. If anything, by making them more aware and more comfortable with guns it may reduce the number of anti gun people who are that way just because they don't know any better.
 
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JH1951. More than once working behind the counter I had people wanting to buy ammo who didn't even know what their gun used.

I had a guy take my CCW class, who owned a .38 Spl. revolver. After my long briefing/demo on safety, it was his turn to shoot. Being a noobie, I placed the target at no more than 3 yds. Two shots, neither on the paper. I fired two, they hit the paper but were keyholes far apart. Looked at his store-bought ammo box & it was marked ".38 Super". Told me he went to the Wally World sporting goods counter & asked for some "38 ammo". Clerk didn't know any more than he did what he was doing.

Amazing what I've seen/encountered in 17 yrs. of instruction.

Hank M.
 
Currently on a 6 day backlog at my LGS. Waiting to pick up a Makarov.
 
Yes! A liberal in 2018: "I hate guns!" The same liberal in March 2020: "I need a gun, now!"


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Things I heard at the gun show last weekend.

"What do mean I can't just order one on-line and have it delivered to my house?"

"This is a gunshow, why do I need to fill out a form and get a back ground check?. Isn't there a gun show loophole?"

"What do you mean I need a 'permit to purchase a handgun'?"

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More and more gun control sounds just great - until those pro gun control folks suddenly decide they want a gun of their own and want it right now.

To which all I can say is BWAHAHAHA!
You made this bed, now lie in it.
 
Wow, that sucks.

I walked into my local panic filled shop yesterday. Filled out my 4473, put down my DL & CCW, paid, and walked out with my gun. In & out in 20 minutes or less. CCW exempts you from the background check in AZ. I'm sure it's a "loophole" the left needs to close.

What really sucks is the States with waiting periods. By the time you go back to pick-up, the store may be closed as "non-essential". I believe it's starting to happen in CA.
 
Went to the pawnshop this morning to pick up my order from AIM Surplus -- a excellent condition police surplus M&P9 ($303 shipped + $20 transfer). Filled out my 4473 and waited about four minutes for them to finish their paperwork. NICS check flew through, just like always.

That said, while I was there, another guy was standing around waiting for his to go through and somebody else called to check on his. Apparently, they were having issues with NICS but mine was the exception. The dude standing there seemed a little annoyed . . . .
 
Yes! A liberal in 2018: "I hate guns!" The same liberal in March 2020: "I need a gun, now!"


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You forgot the other half of that statement.... I need a gun now, but you redneck, low life, uneducated, smelly walmart people shouldn't have one."
 
Wow, that sucks.

I walked into my local panic filled shop yesterday. Filled out my 4473, put down my DL & CCW, paid, and walked out with my gun. In & out in 20 minutes or less. CCW exempts you from the background check in AZ.
It's the same in MS. I bought two last Tue. They said it was taking 2-3 hours to get the NICS done. They put my CCW info on the back of the 4473 and I was done. I went to 5 pawn shops yesterday and ended up buying 1 gun. They had signs on the doors saying the NICS system had crashed and they were not selling guns unless you had a CCW.
 
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Wow, that sucks.

I walked into my local panic filled shop yesterday. Filled out my 4473, put down my DL & CCW, paid, and walked out with my gun. In & out in 20 minutes or less. CCW exempts you from the background check in AZ. I'm sure it's a "loophole" the left needs to close.

What really sucks is the States with waiting periods. By the time you go back to pick-up, the store may be closed as "non-essential". I believe it's starting to happen in CA.



Same in Ohio, I ordered a new M&P9 and had it set to a LGS. Filled out 4473 gave him DL, CHL paid $20.00 and was out the door in about 15mins.


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JH1951. Your post hits on a subject that I have been noticing for some time. There are a lot of first time buyers who have no knowledge of how to safely handle their firearms. Previous generations grew up learning how to safely and effectively use guns. Even if you weren't a farmboy there was ROTC and the boy scouts. It was a skill that was taught as you were growing up. Now we have people buying guns who have no knowledge what so ever. More than once working behind the counter I had people wanting to buy ammo who didn't even know what their gun used. I had customers who would get outright angry and rude that I couldn't just sell them some "regular bullets". I know this will meet with some resistance here but I honestly believe that there should at least be an online safety course that you need to take before being allowed to buy your first gun. Once passed it would be good for life and would at least provide some knowledge of the basic fundementals of safe gun handling. In a lot of states (like mine) you need to pass a basic course to get your hunting license if you're a minor. It's not a big deal and I don't feel it infringes on anyone's rights. If anything, by making them more aware and more comfortable with guns it may reduce the number of anti gun people who are that way just because they don't know any better.

I made a similar comment on facebook in a thread started by one of my wife's friends. Short version is some lady replied and said with all the guns being sold we'll see a big spike in homicides.

I replied "No. We won't" and then posted the stats on gun sales by year since 1993, which is when the homicide rate peaked in the US. We've made 120 million guns in the US since 1993 and imported another 60 million, and the gun homicide rate has on average declined fairly steadily.

I added my experiences with gun show comments as described above, and stated that I didn't negatively judge any of those people for seeing the need for a gun for personal protection.

However I added that I did judge them negatively for waiting until the last minute, and not getting proper training in both firearm safety and in the laws pertaining to the use of deadly force. The odds are high that some of them will do stupid stuff with their new guns in terms of either a negligent discharge, or getting themselves into legal trouble using a gun when it's not legal or appropriate to do so.

I'm in total agreement that given the greatly reduced presence of firearms in the average home and the now almost non existent exposure to firearms and firearms safety in schools, making some form of gun safety mandatory prior to an initial firearm purchase is a good idea, even if it is just an on-line course they can take in the gunshop in 20-30 minutes prior to the sale (and waiting for the NICS check to through.

I grew up in the 1970s and 80s, and in 6th grade pretty much all the guys and many of the girls took the NRA hunter safety course, which was conducted every spring after school - in one of the classrooms. It was also common for schools to have air rifle and small bore rifle teams. I grew up in a rural area and virtually everyone had a firearm in the home with at least one parent who raised kids with a knowledge of and respect for guns.

Those guns lived in gun racks, unlocked closets, and unlocked glass faced display cabinets. No one got shot.

However that is just not the case today in most areas of the country. Consequently, we need to have some mechanism in place to ensure that gun owners do in fact have some minimum level of training in gun safety. It needs to be free or at a nominal cost of $5 or less, and it needs to be readily available so that it doesn't pose an additional burden, hurdle, or restriction on gun ownership, but that can easily be accomplished.
 
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It's the same way here in NC. A CCW permit meets the Brady Bill requirements.

It worked the same way in SD. I've also lived and had concealed carry permits in MN and VA, and I never understood why they didn't also opt to use a CCW permit as meeting the Brady Bill requirement as it saves time, and provides an incentive for gun buyers to get the additional vetting that occurs in the CCW permit process. When I lived in SD, about 1 in every 7 adults had a concealed carry permit, and about half of them only had it because it streamlined firearms purchases.
 
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