CAJUNLAWYER
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It is about time!!! Interesting to see what this begets
Smith & Wesson Sues New Jersey Over ‘Anti-Second Amendment Agenda’
Smith & Wesson Sues New Jersey Over ‘Anti-Second Amendment Agenda’
S&W fights back
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Lie in bed with the dogs..wake up with fleas. Bending to the governments wishes in the late 90s (built in gun lock agenda) should have taught S&W that making deals with the government (federal or state) is not going to make you friends. As the worm turns..
ACORN
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Unfortunately the current ownership has no control over what the previous owners did. They are fighting for the company’s life.
cmj8591
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It's time to get past the Tompkins period. They are gone and S&W needs the support of every gun owner. What happens to them will affect Glock, Colt, "insert the name of your favorite gun manufacturer here".
Rpg
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Be careful what you wish for....
This sort of litigation can produce unintended consequences!
This sort of litigation can produce unintended consequences!
They kind of went with the "maybe they will eat me last" theory. I guess they were not happy with the outcome.
Smith & Wesson had nothing to do with that. Read your history! Before you condemn someone, make sure you know who the guilty party was! Blame the right people, not Smith & Wesson.
From what I was told by workers at S/W at that time , was they had no money to fight the federal lawsuit so it was that or go out of business. We sure would have lost out on alot of neat guns if SW had just fought, folded and gone under. I always figure there are plenty of prelocks out there if you have to have one.
Again, not really the case. The reason they had no money to fight, was, Tompkins held the purse strings.
touchoneoff
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Well, I wish them luck.
Runs With Gun
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I wish them luck too.
On the subject of the lock, one can plug it although Massad Ayoob is against it because non-gun people end up on juries.
I found two Model 638-2's (638-3 started the lock) fairly easily and didn't pay more than $350.00 for either and I think one was $250.00. Both shoot great.
Pre-lock revolvers come up on Gunbroker fairly often but prices are high right now due to the current buying craze.
On the subject of the lock, one can plug it although Massad Ayoob is against it because non-gun people end up on juries.
I found two Model 638-2's (638-3 started the lock) fairly easily and didn't pay more than $350.00 for either and I think one was $250.00. Both shoot great.
Pre-lock revolvers come up on Gunbroker fairly often but prices are high right now due to the current buying craze.
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ggibson511960
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The political opposition tactic of litigating against the wealth of a manufacturer for the sins of buyers is proliferating. Our commerce and legal system needs some kind of governing principle to protect manufacturers. The tort bar has sued private aviation out of business over pilot error. Toyota lost $5 billion in shareholder equity over runaway acceleration that proved to be a figment. Volkswagon AG has forfeited $20 billion in fines for cheating on lab tests without any accounting of damage to the environment or consumer loss. Dow Corning was driven to bankruptcy over silicone breast illness proven false. Politically motivated prosecutors have no accountability to anybody except an electorate that is barely paying attention. I have always espoused a reform to the jackpot justice tort industry, that awards punitive damages in civil cases to the state treasury, and compensatory damages and legal fees to the successful plaintiff. We take it for granted, but one of the strengths of our western civilization is respect for property rights and lawful commerce without political kleptocracy. They are under serious assault.
cmj8591
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Tort reform is WAY overdue but we have a government run by the same people who profit from this environment so I think it's very unlikely that we will see any relief in our lifetimes. What really happens with these big law suits is that it drives up the price of things. When you buy a gallon of Round-Up to kill your weeds, how much of what you pay do you think is going to pay off that billion dollar cancer award?
500SNW
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I don't mean to cause thread drift, but is it even necessary to plug the hole? Isn't that just a cosmetic thing - dropping a small metal cylinder in the hole to conceal it? What counts is removing all the internal parts associated with the lock mechanism? That's a question.
smoothshooter
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Every gun and ammunition company is now the target of Governors, Attorneys General, financial institutions, etc.
The legal protections they have from frivolous lawsuits by “ victims “ and governing bodies are about to be removed by legislation to be introduced this year. Expect some of these companies to be out of business in three years.
The surviving companies will be forced to enact tremendous price increases to cover court costs and new environmental regs aimed at them specifically.
Insurance companies may be the ones that actually finish them off.
You can’t operate a business of any size when no insurance company will touch you with a ten foot pole over fears of retaliation by activists and governmental entities.
Things will never be like they were a year or two ago again. Ever.
Welcome to the New Normal.
The legal protections they have from frivolous lawsuits by “ victims “ and governing bodies are about to be removed by legislation to be introduced this year. Expect some of these companies to be out of business in three years.
The surviving companies will be forced to enact tremendous price increases to cover court costs and new environmental regs aimed at them specifically.
Insurance companies may be the ones that actually finish them off.
You can’t operate a business of any size when no insurance company will touch you with a ten foot pole over fears of retaliation by activists and governmental entities.
Things will never be like they were a year or two ago again. Ever.
Welcome to the New Normal.
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Yes, you can just remove all the lock parts. It does leave the hole which is not a really a function problem. The plug is very easy to install though.
smoothshooter
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Most of their customer base is not concerned about the locks.
They ARE concerned about S & W’s survival.
If S &W goes under, I suppose a little thing like the lock issue becomes sort of a moot point, doesn’t it.
“ But hey, at least we stopped them from producing any more guns with the locks, right?”
“ Let not the perfect be the enemy of the good.”
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The “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act” hasn’t protected gun manufacturers from being sued. The lawyers just changed their tactics.
They are now suing based on marketing or advertising. It has worked, we just lost Remington because they could no longer afford to defend themselves in these lawsuits. I assume that is why they want old Smith & Wesson advertising info.
Even if companies can stay in business we will carry the burden of these baseless lawsuits in increased gun prices.
They are now suing based on marketing or advertising. It has worked, we just lost Remington because they could no longer afford to defend themselves in these lawsuits. I assume that is why they want old Smith & Wesson advertising info.
Even if companies can stay in business we will carry the burden of these baseless lawsuits in increased gun prices.
Someone will be along shortly to correct you on this, and point out that if not for the commie state of NY none of this would have happened. And as soon as they move to a free state the sun will shine 24/7, the old craftsman of yesterday will shed their walkers, they will return to work in their Medicare funded mobility scooters, and they will start producing high quality $50 BDL's...as soon as they leave New York.
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