Here's Why I Don't Favor Everyone Carrying

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Drm50 said:
Ohio has permit for CCW. Most of the people that run out and got them I wouldn't trust with a bowling ball. Forget them shooting at all. I shudder to think of what they could cause by drawing a gun during robbery or any situation they think gun is called for. I don't give a hoot about idiots but they can cause innocent people to be hurt. Most of them wouldn't say jack at any time, gun makes them Clint Eastwood. I'm firm believer in only time gun is to be pulled is to shoot, not talk. You are in fear for your life or not.
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Don't disagree with a thing you said, but I still will defend their right to own and carry a weapon. Again, I think most people are idiots behind the wheel - and that's not a Natural Right embodied in the Constitution, but even then I don't want to ban them from driving.
 
AJ said:
Carrying a gun does not mean that the individual is really qualified to do so. A four hour class and firing a couple of supervised rounds is not near enough training.
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If they haven't lost the right to own a pistol (e.g. a felon) they're fully qualified. They may not be proficient.

It's sort of like running for President. If a person is natural born citizen, over 35 years old, and a resident of the US, they are fully qualified to be President. While qualified, they may not be proficient.

If we were talking about a privilege and not a right, I'd agree with you.
 
biku324 said:
I've said it before here and elsewhere, a gun is not a magic wand. Pointing one at someone who isn't deterred or who is drunk, high, enraged, or crazy means you need to be able to make an immediate decision. I don't believe many folks are.
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Onomea said:
He said he did not "favor" everyone carrying a gun. He did not say not everyone "deserves" to carry a gun.

Actually, I think a greater danger to life and limb is folks using guns when they should not, but I understand his point.
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Who gets to decide who should or shouldn't carry a gun? As long as the 2A is valid, each individual does. Once we leave that decision to someone else, ANYone else, our right to own and carry has been taken away by someone else's decision.

The sad part of it all is, the right to carry doesn't guarantee those who exercise that right have the ability to do so with knowledge and judgment to use it properly. It comes down to the adage, "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". Everybody screams about their rights, but I don't hear much of even a whisper about the duty and responsibility that goes with them, and those include accepting what happens if you choose wrong. Hopefully the decision won't be a fatal one.
 
PPS1980 said:
Don't disagree with a thing you said, but I still will defend their right to own and carry a weapon. Again, I think most people are idiots behind the wheel - and that's not a Natural Right embodied in the Constitution, but even then I don't want to ban them from driving.
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I agree. And even with proficiency testing, drivers still kill 38,000 people/yr in the US. Nobody's talking about why they're against people owning cars.
 
transit said:
Are there more details to this?

A good guy lost a fight. It sometimes happens, even to the best of them.

Not sure how this case demonstrates that "everyone" doesn't deserve to carry.

More info welcome.
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I never said everyone doesn't deserve to carry. I said I don't favor everyone carrying, then explained why.
 
When I did my ccw class in NC, don't remember when but I've renewed it 5-6 times now? you could take the class and qualify with a .22 but could carry a .44 magnum if you wanted. I've always thought that was bogus. There should be a minimum caliber, .38 or .380 that you had to qualify with and your ccw would be for that caliber firearm or less. Of course you would be able to upgrade your ccw to a larger caliber whenever you qualified with it. I'm sure that there are ccw holders carrying way more gun than they can safely handle. Of course if they wound or worse a bystander they would be charged but that doesn't help the bystander much. It's a right but there's also a responsibility that goes with it.
 
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Hair Trigger said:
Who gets to decide who should or shouldn't carry a gun? As long as the 2A is valid, each individual does. Once we leave that decision to someone else, ANYone else, our right to own and carry has been taken away by someone else's decision.

The sad part of it all is, the right to carry doesn't guarantee those who exercise that right have the ability to do so with knowledge and judgment to use it properly. It comes down to the adage, "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". Everybody screams about their rights, but I don't hear much of even a whisper about the duty and responsibility that goes with them, and those include accepting what happens if you choose wrong. Hopefully the decision won't be a fatal one.
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I never suggested that someone should decide who can and can't carry. What I said was that I don't favor everyone carrying and explained why.
 
Kanewpadle said:
But yet many many more documented cases of people successfully defending themselves with a gun having never shot the gun prior. For generations the percentage of people that have successfully defended themselves with a gun far exceeds those that haven't. I agree that some people should not own guns. But to put limits on gun ownership is unAmerican.

Should they give up their guns too?

There are thousands of people that drive like idiots that should not have a license. They are much more dangerous. So what do you do?
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what I said was I am not in favor of everyone carrying and explained why. I never suggested anything more.
 
Onomea said:
He said he did not "favor" everyone carrying a gun. He did not say not everyone "deserves" to carry a gun.

Would it be a good idea for a confirmed pacifist, one who was determined, no matter what, to never employ violence for any reason, to carry a gun? (This being a very iconoclastic pacifist, you understand.:))

Actually, I think a greater danger to life and limb is folks using guns when they should not, but I understand his point.
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Thank you.
 
Dan Zulu said:
If the issuance of concealed carry permits (or passing of constitutional carry laws) depended on every single armed citizen being perfect, then none would exist. We don't deny police the right to carry guns just because some police are unskilled or make incorrect use of force decisions. We don't ban the sale of cars even though some drivers will drive drunk or cause crashes.
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What I said was that I don't favor everyone carrying and explained why, not more.
 
AJ said:
Carrying a gun does not mean that the individual is really qualified to do so. A four hour class and firing a couple of supervised rounds is not near enough training. I spent 24 years in the Corps and a couple of years of that was working security and anti-terrorism team. I was a combat shotgun and pistol/revolver instructor. I have shot bullseye for over 50 years and spent about 10 years shooting IPSC. I have a concealed weapons permit and I do carry at times (mainly on trips). If there is an area that I consider a trouble spot, then I stay out. Don't want to infringe on anyone's rights, but would like to see more training required to be allowed to carry. In peacetime I have only drawn a pistol once and that was to protect one of my troops. The other guy decided to drop his weapon and run. For the fact that I did not have to shoot, I am eternally grateful.
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Thank you.
 
biku324 said:
What I said was that I'm not in favor of everyone carrying. Not more.
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I hear you. The discussion has gone beyond your initial assertion. While I might not want certain people to carry, I will defend their Right to do so. Several others in this discussion have asserted that they favor restrictions and requirements being placed on the Right to carry. That is what is being objected to so vigorously.
 
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