Got this email from ATF just today

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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) recently examined devices commonly known as “forced reset triggers” (FRTs) and has determined that some of them are “firearms” and “machineguns” as defined in the National Firearms Act (NFA), and “machineguns” as defined in the Gun Control Act (GCA).

These particular FRTs are being marketed as replacement triggers for AR-type firearms. Unlike traditional triggers and binary triggers (sometimes referred to generally as “FRTs”), the subject FRTs do not require shooters to pull and then subsequently release the trigger to fire a second shot. Instead, these FRTs utilize the firing cycle to eliminate the need for the shooter to release the trigger before a second shot is fired. By contrast, some after-market triggers have similar components but also incorporate a disconnector or similar feature to ensure that the trigger must be released before a second shot may be fired and may not be machineguns.

Both the NFA and GCA regulate machineguns. “Machinegun” is defined under 26 U.S.C. § 5845(b) and 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(23) as—

Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person. (Emphasis added


ATF’s examination found that some FRT devices allow a firearm to automatically expel more than one shot with a single, continuous pull of the trigger. For this reason, ATF has concluded that FRTs that function in this way are a combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and hence, ATF has classified these devices as a “machinegun” as defined by the NFA and GCA.

Accordingly, ATF’s position is that any FRT that allows a firearm to automatically expel more than one shot with a single, continuous pull of the trigger is a “machinegun”, and is accordingly subject to the GCA prohibitions regarding the possession, transfer, and transport of machineguns under 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(o) and 922(a)(4). They are also subject to registration, transfer, taxation, and possession restrictions under the NFA. See 26 U.S.C. §§ 5841, 5861; 27 CFR 479.101.

Under 26 U.S.C. § 5871, any person who violates or fails to comply with the provisions of the NFA may be fined up to $10,000 per violation and is subject to imprisonment for a term of up to ten years. Further, pursuant to 26 U.S.C. § 5872, any machinegun possessed or transferred in violation of the NFA is subject to seizure and forfeiture. Under 18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(2), any person who violates § 922(o) may be sent to prison for up to 10 years and fined up to $250,000 per person or $500,000 per organization.

Based on ATF’s determination that the FRTs that function as described above are “machineguns” under the NFA and GCA, ATF intends to take appropriate remedial action with respect to sellers and possessors of these devices. Current possessors of these devices are encouraged to contact ATF for further guidance on how they may divest possession. If you are uncertain whether the device you possess is a machinegun as defined by the GCA and NFA, please contact your local ATF Field Office. You may consult the local ATF Office’s webpage for office contact information.

Alphonso Hughes
Assistant Director
Enforcement Programs and Services

George Lauder
Assistant Director
Field Operations
 
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So, in other words, Binary Triggers like the Echo Trigger are now registered as Machineguns by the ATF?

Saw it coming... Hoped I was wrong, but I figured that they would do this eventually.
 
So, in other words, Binary Triggers like the Echo Trigger are now registered as Machineguns by the ATF?

Saw it coming... Hoped I was wrong, but I figured that they would do this eventually.
Nope, that's not what it says.
There's a big difference between a binary trigger and a forced reset trigger. Two completely different animals.
Binary's require two functions of the trigger to work.
 
Any way they can irritate intimidate and harass shooters is what this tells me.

I had a friend with an autoloader Benelli shotgun he had a gunsmith lighten the trigger so light, when he handed it to me to use, 3 shots went off before it stopped firing when I pulled the trigger..once.
 
Since I'm a C&R holder, I got the e-mail too.
I figured it was just a matter of time. I was clear from the start that this company was trying to skirt the law with this product. Gotta give 'em credit for their resourcefulness. But I'm sure even they knew it wouldn't last. :rolleyes:
 
So, in other words, Binary Triggers like the Echo Trigger are now registered as Machineguns by the ATF?

Saw it coming... Hoped I was wrong, but I figured that they would do this eventually.

No, in reading this, it appears that binary triggers are still okay. What I read is that they are calling a machine gun something that fires more than once with one pull of the trigger. A true binary trigger fires on another movement , or release, of the trigger.
 
What the letter means is that forced reset triggers (formerly approved by the ATF) have now been redetermined to be machine guns. Since the Hughes Amendment in the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986 bans manufacture or importation of any new machine guns, they cannot be legally registered and must be destroyed.

It also means that Binary triggers are still legal, but only until the ATF decides to do another major reinterpretation of a regulation without going through the required public notice and comment process.

ATF just recently made a similar illegal major re-interpretation of a regulation with out following the required process when they determined suppressor kits were now class III NFA items and rejected hundreds of Form 1 applications out of hand with no consideration for whether they involved suppressor kits or not.

It needs to stop. The folks we elected to office need to reign in an out of control agency that keeps arbitrarily moving the goalposts. If the want to make a major reinterpretation of a regulation, that’s fine. But the need to follow the legally required process. If they do not, they need to fired for abuse of power.
 
Nope, that's not what it says.
There's a big difference between a binary trigger and a forced reset trigger. Two completely different animals.
Binary's require two functions of the trigger to work.

As do FRT's....
 
With this news I also wonder how long until they redefine the pistol brace concept. That will be a much bigger situation though criminalizing a lot more people in comparison to bump stocks or forced reset triggers. Nonetheless I’m sure it’s in the queue.


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As do FRT's....

It’s a minor but significant difference - to the ATF at least.

With a binary trigger you can pull the trigger just enough to release the seat and then hold that pressure as long as you like until you release it to release the hammer again.

With the forced reset trigger, the mechanism physically pushes your finger forward to reset. In that case, you just hold pressure on the trigger, and it pushes your finger forward, where your continued pressure causes the trigger to get pulled again.

To a logical human being that would still count as a distinct finger motion for each shot. The ATF initially interpreted it that way, but then subsequently interpreted it differently, using the same logic they used to ban bump stocks.

FRT owners need to get on board with the same lawsuits filed by bump stock owners.
 
With this news I also wonder how long until they redefine the pistol brace concept. That will be a much bigger situation though criminalizing a lot more people in comparison to bump stocks or forced reset triggers. Nonetheless I’m sure it’s in the queue.


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That was out for public comment from June to September 2021. iIRC they got something like 180,000 public comments, most of them negative.

By law they have to respond to all comments, although they can and will group them together. Unfortunately they are not required to agree with the comments or amend their proposed rule based on the comments. They have yet to published their responses to the comments for the required 30 day period.

That’s not necessarily bad news. For example, ATF received 90,000 comments on their proposal to reclassify M855 ammunition as “armor piercing”, they backed off and dropped the proposed rule.

The problems with the braced pistol notice of proposed rule making is that they are basing it on the NFA of 1934 that as written was meant to only apply to weapons used by gangs and was specifically not to be applied to weapons in common use (like 14” barrel Winchester Model 92 trapper carbines.

ATF cited 2 uses of braced pistols in mass shootings since 2013 when bump stocks were first approved and also stated there were 3 million of them out there. That violates the intent of the NFA 1934 in common use language. In addition, just 2 uses in over 2600 mass shootings, and similarly, the use of only 2 out of 3 million braced pistols doesn’t support the contention they are widely used by criminals or by gangs.

In effect ATF wants to require 3 million lawful and law abiding owners of braced pistols to submit the paperwork and $200 to register them as NFA weapons. ATF further claimed it wasn’t practical to grandfather them (that could easily be done by applying a serial number and sending it to ATF) and did not feel it was practical to waive the tax stamp fee.

Total bull and clearly an effort to make compliance expensive and burdensome to encourage people to destroy the, instead.
 
One of the guys behind the counter at the LGS today showed same e mail to one of the customers, but from what he said, the ATF and all those other dept.s with letters instead of names aren't on the same page about anything! He did say if you get the e mail don't answer it. Have an attorney on the speed dial feature on your phone, and unless they have a warrant, give them your attorney's card and ask them to call him/her.
I would also add be nice; until it's time to not be nice. Oh, and remember, they have badges & guns & friends with badges & guns.
 
One of the guys behind the counter at the LGS today showed same e mail to one of the customers, but from what he said, the ATF and all those other dept.s with letters instead of names aren't on the same page about anything! He did say if you get the e mail don't answer it. Have an attorney on the speed dial feature on your phone, and unless they have a warrant, give them your attorney's card and ask them to call him/her.
I would also add be nice; until it's time to not be nice. Oh, and remember, they have badges & guns & friends with badges & guns.

Well, absolutely then!
If "the guy behind the counter at the LGS" and "The customer" said don't answer the email from the ATF, then that's good enough for me.

Is it OK if I tell the nice agents that "The guy at the LGS and a customer" told me it was ok?

Oh! And I think I heard before that the ATF is terrified of attorneys, and once someone says THAT to them, that they back right off. Thanks for the info! And Good luck in your future endeavors.

OMG.
 
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Total bull and clearly an effort to make compliance expensive and burdensome to encourage people to destroy the, instead.

Which was the whole purpose of the NFA of 1934 in the first place.

IIRC, I read that the number of 'braces' in circulation is more like 20 million. Common use indeed....
 
Which was the whole purpose of the NFA of 1934 in the first place.

IIRC, I read that the number of 'braces' in circulation is more like 20 million. Common use indeed....

I'm as pro gun as they come, but those numbers are complete fabrications. 3,000,000 bump stocks? 20,000,000 pistol braces? Those are Soviet style numbers. Complete and total lies of such ridiculous amounts only undermines credibility of the whole cause.
 
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