Odd find this weekend 629-5 3" unfluted

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I went to the gunshow this weekend with money to burn. An easy way to spend time and cash. I wasn't looking for it, but found it by accident while my friend was buying from a dealer. Guy says "I'm negotiable on these three". First two didn't even register. Third was a 629-5, unfluted cylinder, with a 3" barrel. It has the wrong box and no papers. Looks like it's been rattling around in a drawer its entire life. Some light scuff marks. Round butt with rosewood grips. I opened the cylinder and there is no flame cut on the top strap. No burn ring on the front of the cylinder (someone cleaned it). I hide my drooling. He wants 13. I tell him my offer will be insulting, but I didnt come looking for it, so wont miss it. I hit him at a K. He comes back at 12. I say split and offer 11. He wants to haggle a little more. I explain 11 benjimans is it. Take it or leave it. I walk over to my friend who is still working his buy. After about 20 minutes we talk again. He takes the 11 and I take the gun. On the way home I do a little research. I think this is a lew horton. I thought these were only made in blue. Dang... I think I scored. Get home and strip it down on the bench and hose it down with oil to begin the cleaning process. The lockwork looked very dry. A very small amount of carbon fouling around the forcing cone. More stuck on dust than anything. Let it set for a couple days and start cleaning today. Cleaning the yoke and feel a sharp edge on the side of the tube that the cylinder rides on. There is a small crack. Probably less than a 1/4". The end of the tube looks like its been tapped on. I'm guessing someone was trying to lengthen the tube to tighten up the fit. It doesn't really affect operation, and there is zero play in lockup, but still sucks. I keep cleaning and my qtip snags on the forcing cone. The end of the cone looks like it has a thick layer of lead. It wont flick off or move. It looks like the factory forgot to finish machining the end of the forcing cone. Now I'm wondering what I actually bought. Did someone put together a frankenstein? It all looks right. The numbers all match.

I really did not intend to write an essay.


So here are my questions

is ccs5848 an actual LH?
I would assume circa 2000
is the cracked yoke tube a terminal issue?
 
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The CCS prefix comes from 1998 per the SCSW 4th edition.
You'll probably need to contact Lew Horton to be sure it went to them.
On the crack, do you know a good welder?
 
The barrel breech is normal! That is the taper cut of the forcing cone.
jcelect



I'm gonna blame my potato quality picture...
It looks like a pi symbol.

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There is a lip inside and out. I broke a little off the outside. It's like they forgot to clean up the end after cutting for length.

I will fix it. The inside lip is easy. The outside... not as easy. It's just the first I've run across like this.
 
I fail to see "any" crack... However the extra "Lip" on the FC both inside and out is busted/ugly... Should be a somewhat easy fix though. Have you shot her with some Hard Cast Leaded pills yet?

I have several LHS's and I can't imagine them looking like that but "S" happens. Good luck getting this sorted out and I'm sure you will...
 
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I swear it looks like they stretched the tube to tighten up the fit and cracked it in the process.

It does lock up super tight. Zero play at all. I doubt if this has had more than a couple of rounds fired.

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I swear it looks like they stretched the tube to tighten up the fit and cracked it in the process.

It does lock up super tight. Zero play at all. I doubt if this has had more than a couple of rounds fired.

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Oh yeah... especially the inner scorch mark miring up the crack pictured inside the forcing cone is noticeable. *** were "they" thinking?

Worse yet you know "if" you send it back Smith will with almost pure certainty keep it and send you a "New Version" for replacement with a 2 piece barrel, lock, rubber grips, etc...

Your best bet is to search Numrich's Inventory to try and source a new barrel, have it fitted n' timed to the frame and go that route. I know, very intrusive, very disappointing. I feel for you!

-Ham
 
The last owner fired a lot of lead through that gun. The forcing cone is shaving the lead off the cylinder face when being closed. That's why the burr is on the same leading edge of the forcing cone, both inside and out.
 
Brownell's sells a kit to recut and/or change the angle of the forcing cone which is used without removing the barrel from the frame. Next you will need a go/no go gauge to check the depth after cutting. This tool will also face off the barrel end, if you have a tight BC gap!
jcelect
 
The last owner fired a lot of lead through that gun. The forcing cone is shaving the lead off the cylinder face when being closed. That's why the burr is on the same leading edge of the forcing cone, both inside and out.

I don't think so. There is zero flame cutting on the top strap and the lip material is extremely hard. I hoped it was just lead, but I think it was never cleaned up during production.

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Brownell's sells a kit to recut and/or change the angle of the forcing cone which is used without removing the barrel from the frame. Next you will need a go/no go gauge to check the depth after cutting. This tool will also face off the barrel end, if you have a tight BC gap!
jcelect

Most of their stuff is out of stock. They have the 11 degree cutter, but I'm not wanting to cut that much. I already removed the inner lip and most of the outer.

The BC gap .009 currently, so I probably won't touch the face much.

I still need new springs (coming Monday from brownells) and really focus on excess burrs and fit. I also have to deal with a couple spots of rust that were under the rosewood grips.


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The CCS prefix comes from 1998 per the SCSW 4th edition.
You'll probably need to contact Lew Horton to be sure it went to them.
On the crack, do you know a good welder?

That will be very hard because they went out of business two years ago.
However on this forum there is a way to contact of the Horton family that has the data and can look it up
 
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... I think this is a lew horton.

So here are my questions

is ccs5848 an actual LH?
I would assume circa 2000
is the cracked yoke tube a terminal issue?

I have two 3" Lew Horton's (different calibers) from that era (1998-2000), and believe yours is a S&W Model 629 Classic Carry, also a special from Lew Horton. I previously contacted Lew Horton who sent me letters of authenticity on letterhead for both of mine for free!

I'm attaching a brochure from that time. Hope that helps!
 

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