Scripting your gun fight?

[Fishinfool]

Training (the proper kind) is good. It develops familiarity with your weapon, and muscle memory for when things go all tunnel vision like..

Something I did as a LEO, and still do in civilian life is play out different scenarios is my head, applicable to the situations I am in. What would I do "IF" kind of stuff. Not foolproof, but it gives you a leg up on your reaction when something happens. I have seen way to many folks panic or react poorly when confronted with an unexpected situation. Most never really thought out ahead of time what they might do "IF"...

Larry

 

[ladder13]

I have had a sidearm with me almost every day of my life since 1980

In America, I have had the need to draw a sidearm in a surprise situation on five occasions. Only once did I need to discharge that sidearm

Three of those five scenarios are things that I never even considered. The reason for this is that folks that do Evil things do not think like you and me

Get yourself a copy of Bill Jordan's No Second Place Winner and read it

On 9/11 the US was caught off guard because we never conceptualized that 19 Evil people would take four Jumbo Jets and use them as Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Everything we did after that to better safeguard our Nation is almost useless as the next time something happens it will be another scenario that just Never comes into the thought process of Good People

I’m with this ^^^^^^^^^

 

[BC38]

My thoughts are you could train in every type of firearms competition, police, and combat shooting every day. Practice fast draw, be able to hit a quarter at 50 yards with a handgun every shot.

Still nobody will have a clue how they might respond if the target is shooting back, till it actually happens.

The kid in the mall who saved no telling how many lives... "Police said Eli Dicken learned to shoot from his grandfather and that he had no military or police training."

I've read great multitudes of books on WWII, and Vietnam. Read stories of people in their first firefight laying in the fetal position frozen with terror. Yet they had military training.

And the one point you might have overlooked in this case is that Eli Dicken wasn't engaging a target who was shooting back at him.

The mass shooter he took down from 40 yards away wasn't shooting at (or even aware of) him.

The deceased mass shooter was shooting people around him in the food court and likely never even knew where the bullet that stopped his rampage came from.

Just an observation...

 

[BC38]

Most people who unlawfully shoot and kill others know them. What's the training for your friend drinking and being depressed, then goes to the bathroom, comes out with a gun to shoot himself, then turns on you at the kitchen table? You've been arguing with your spouse; the spouse stops arguing and goes into the bedroom, then comes out with a Glock pointing at you from 8 feet away?

These and other enormously varied real-life incidents happen frequently and seldom are news.

I dunno. What training have YOU had for dealing with the drunk friend who turns on you - or for the disgruntled spouse with a gun?

Exactly what training have YOU had that you can recommend for the rest of us - so that we can be as prepared to deal with those scenarios as you seem to think you are?

Or are you just throwing out those scenarios as a diversion to change the subject?

Just curious...

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

The worst part about folks carrying who aren't used to dealing with angry, aggressive, high, or drunk people (let alone the mentally ill) is they have only one tool, and it is most likely the wrong one.

If the only solution at hand is a hammer, then every problem must be a nail.

Most common carry people WILL NEVER deal with those mentioned above.......Iffen they ever encounter those and feel in iminent danger......Then they will probably use their"hammer"..........As mentioned many times above. AWARENESS" is the key for safety.

 

[ladder13]

 

[biku324]

I dunno. What training have YOU had for dealing with the drunk friend who turns on you - or for the disgruntled spouse with a gun?

Exactly what training have YOU had that you can recommend for the rest of us - so that we can be as prepared to deal with those scenarios as you seem to think you are?

Or are you just throwing out those scenarios as a diversion to change the subject?

Just curious...

There's no training for those kinds of incidents in the real world.

These are just a couple of examples of killings wherein I or my officers had to do clean up after the fact. There are plenty more.

 

[biku324]

Come to Mogadishu and we can talk about this. I'll meet you after the immigration line.

 

[BC38]

There's no training for those kinds of incidents in the real world.

These are ja couple of examples of killings wherein I or my officers had to do clean up after the fact. There are plenty more.

OK, so then how are they in any way pertinent to this discussion about being prepared/how you THINK things will go down (scripting your fight)?

Just wondering what point you are/were trying to make.

 

[biku324]

The point is that gaming out responses to stranger-to-stranger interpersonal violence ignores the most common, actual threats.

Teaching children to be aware of 'stranger danger' of molestation is similarly ineffective as most child sexual abuse occurs between children and known, trusted persons.

 

[BC38]

The point is that gaming out responses to stranger-to-stranger interpersonal violence ignores the most common, actual threats.

Teaching children to be aware of 'stranger danger' of molestation is similarly ineffective as most child sexual abuse occurs between children and known, trusted persons.

So then your point would be we shouldn't even try to be prepared for the less common scenarios - because there is no way to train for being prepared for the more common scenarios?

Ummm, OK... That's one perspective - I guess...

 

[alwslate]

When Eli Dicken shot the mass shooter in the Greenwood mall it was not self defense. He was firing a Glock 19 as I recall from behind some shelving from a braced position. He fired multiple shots and hit the perp three times I think. Some local officials wanted to file charges against him for reckless endangerment I believe but public sentiment was so strong that they had to back down. The ridiculous running and gunning of steel plates and silhouettes at 25-50 yards supposedly simulating SD might get you a murder charge in a real life scenario if you had an escape route.

 

[Imissedagain]

The town should have bought the young man a new Corvette and a lifetime supply of gas.

He wasn't a coward from Broward.

I might add that every time a Lifeguard enters the water, pool, lake or ocean, they put their life at risk.
Lotsa training, especially how to deal with really big people in trouble.

 

[Donn]

Think of a script this way. "No O plan survives first enemy contact." Murphy's Laws of Combat, #40.

 

[AJ]

When I taught Combat Pistol in the Corps we trained a 7, 15 and 25 yards. All from the holster using steel pepper poppers. The poppers were set up in different scenarios with specific instructions as to the sequence the drill was to be fired. We did a lot of man-on-man competition, I feel this is some of the best training there is for stress , without an actual gunfight. All were speed drills (of course accuracy did come into play). We did the same type of training in our Combat Shotgun course. There the ranges were 10, 15, 25 and 50 yards using 00 Buck and slugs.

 

[Bald1]

Bald 1 makes a great point except I think that I have a lot more respect for the NRA's writers than he does.

I do agree that you could be caught in an active shooter situation where the perp has a rifle so being able to shoot at a distance is a required skill but I disagree with Bald 1 when he says . IMNSHO it does the exact opposite - the problem that I see is that if you train and train using your sights for 25 yards then you will look for them automatically at 7 yards. Point shooting for up close and personal beats sight shooting every doggone day in my book.....

YMMV

YODA, I did say in early post that 25 yd practice should be double action rapid fire point shooting to simulate a self defense situation. I should have been more clear. I agree sights are probably of little to no vale in self defense situation. As to NRA writers perhaps I was a little harsh. Lol

 

[AJ]

All self defense style practice should be accomplished double action. This would probably be the case in a real self defense situation. Unless you are using a Colt SAA or the like.

 

[Bald1]

This may be off topic a bit but there seems to be an undertone to this thread that only LE is capable of handling a self defense situation. I would suggest that my experience working the door (bouncing) taught me ALOT about human nature and defusing a situation. Many people have experience and knowledge that were never in law enforcement. Prime example is military members who were deployed to that hell hole in the desert. Going door to door everyday will teach a man a lot. I’ve seen and know several LEO who never even held a gun till they went to the academy. They are not gun enthusiasts and barely qualify. I knew a Trooper who was the local rangemaster. He said he was ashamed at how bad some officers were. I also know some LEOs who are afraid of their own shadow. Much less the bad guys. Here in NY the police officers in larger cites, towns, and state agencies are very well paid and have great benefits and retirement. To many being a cop is a pay check and comfortable retirement.

 

[diyj98]

I just watch John Wick movies and practice the moves in my living room. I'm ready

 

[AJ]

I just watch John Wick movies and practice the moves in my living room. I'm ready

This is a lot of your counterparts philosophy..........