I’ll be on the Amalfi coast in May. I much prefer the food and ambiance there.
Scripting your gun fight?
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I’ll be on the Amalfi coast in May. I much prefer the food and ambiance there.
Your walking thru a mall, and someone starts shooting people 40 yards from you.
Your adrenaline would be off the charts, how would you know the shooter wouldn't shoot at you?
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Actually there is; the computer generated situations encounters I talked about above.
Example you [as an"officer"] turn the corner to enter a classroom ...two men are arguing over a third person.... as you enter the doorway one man says" If I can't have her no one can!" pulls a large knife [out of sight on his far side] and slits the woman's throat....total elapsed time about 2 seconds.
Two lessons.... sometimes there's nothing you can do and then you have to clean up the situation.
Cus he immediately lunges at the other man with his knife.
Most 90% people froze. I got off a shot the guy still was able to stab the other guy twice in the gut!
The whole technology is a great training tool as the computer AI reacts to what you do.
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What, you don't like roast camel?
AJ
US Veteran
Sorrento to Salerno? Been there done that. Go to Pompeii if you have not done so before.
AJ
US Veteran
Real life...........Had a Marine stab another Marine over a girl in the barracks. I was on duty as the Marine Officer Of The Day that night. Heard the screaming and shouting and came around the corner of the barracks in time to see the 1st Marine getting ready to stab the victim again. Was wearing an M7 shoulder holster with a M1911A1 in it. Without thinking about is had drawn and racked the slide. Was aimed in at maybe 10 yards and told him to drop the knife. The kid looked at me and dropped the knife and ran. I could have shot him and there would have been no questions about it before he dropped the knife. Did I do the right thing by not shooting him? I like to think so........
Computers are fine and in most cases better than real life as mistakes can be learned from with no real aftermath. When stationed in Pittsburgh, Pa. as the active duty staff for an MP company, we had a F.A.T.S. for training. Cost over $50,000 at the time with a bunch of enhancements for it. Could even use it for M-16 training.
I practically grew up with a gun in my hands. I first carried a gun for four legged predators. At such a young age I knew nothing about situational awareness, adrenaline, and tunnel vision.
All I knew was the big magnum I carried made me feel better. More prepared. I felt confident in my ability to defend myself.
Years later I realized that the most important lesson that I learned was situational awareness. I believe that we are not born with it. It can’t be taught. It is something we learn by ourselves.
Ever since then situational awareness has been my most important tool. I rely on it heavily. It has saved my butt several times.
Personally I see no need to practice beyond 15 yards. I count on situational awareness to plan ahead. To immediately know where cover and concealment is. I try to take in everything so I have as many options as possible.
I study crime here locally. Based on that, I use good judgment and I don’t put myself in those places or situations.
Can I shoot effectively out to 25 yards? Yes. But I most likely won’t. I live in a densely populated area. And the population is mostly anti gun. If I miss, then what? Under stress a miss at 25 yards is more likely no matter how much you practice. I don’t need that liability.
I do not believe that things will happen as Iplan. Flexibility is imperative.
What works for me may not work for others. But at least we’re thinking about it. I know far too many people that carry and are unprepared.
All I knew was the big magnum I carried made me feel better. More prepared. I felt confident in my ability to defend myself.
Years later I realized that the most important lesson that I learned was situational awareness. I believe that we are not born with it. It can’t be taught. It is something we learn by ourselves.
Ever since then situational awareness has been my most important tool. I rely on it heavily. It has saved my butt several times.
Personally I see no need to practice beyond 15 yards. I count on situational awareness to plan ahead. To immediately know where cover and concealment is. I try to take in everything so I have as many options as possible.
I study crime here locally. Based on that, I use good judgment and I don’t put myself in those places or situations.
Can I shoot effectively out to 25 yards? Yes. But I most likely won’t. I live in a densely populated area. And the population is mostly anti gun. If I miss, then what? Under stress a miss at 25 yards is more likely no matter how much you practice. I don’t need that liability.
I do not believe that things will happen as Iplan. Flexibility is imperative.
What works for me may not work for others. But at least we’re thinking about it. I know far too many people that carry and are unprepared.
You don't recall and you think wrong. Dickens fired 10 shots and hit the guy eight times.
Again, you're wrong
The mayor of Greenwood, Mark W. Myers, commended Elisjsha Dicken for preventing additional tragedy, stating, "On behalf of the city of Greenwood, I am grateful for his quick action and heroism in this situation."[20] Governor Eric Holcomb, former vice president Mike Pence, representative Jim Banks, representative Jackie Walorski, representative Jim Baird, Representative Trey Hollingsworth, Representative Greg Pence, Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita, and Senator Mike Braun made similar statements.[21]
Based on your previous statements I'm going to give this one all the consideration that deserves
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AJ
US Veteran
Naples, Sorrento, Ischia, Capri, Amalfi, Ravello, home.
Gotts save some for our next visit.
Try a walking tour of Rome. We got a map of Rome and a tour guide pamphlet and just started walking. Guided tours are nice, but finding it yourself is real fun.
I was lucky, was on the Big Gray Boat Tour Lines(U.S.Navy)) and five stops in Naples. Spent anywhere from three days to two weeks in port there.
The miscreant gets first swing. Doesn’t matter if criminal or crazy. There is no way to train for that. That is the point.
People talk about what bad arses some of the gangs are. They really aren’t unless they surprise people. Never face to face unless they have a person outnumbered. Average Joe doesn’t understand how scum can just out of the blue kill for no reason. There just isn’t anyway to guard against these
people, they got rights.
People talk about what bad arses some of the gangs are. They really aren’t unless they surprise people. Never face to face unless they have a person outnumbered. Average Joe doesn’t understand how scum can just out of the blue kill for no reason. There just isn’t anyway to guard against these
people, they got rights.
AJ
US Veteran
1.) Situational Awareness
2.) Mental Preparation
3.) Ability to respond under duress.
4.) Practice, practice, & practice.
As long as you have these four things going for you, then you should be able to level the playing field.
There is one other element, the preps will not be expecting you to respond with force (Surprise!!).
Well Smoke I might be wrong about the number of shots and hits because I'm working from memory and it's been a while. But you are wrong about the praise. The story was all over the local news media at the time. The praise he got came after much attention and was not the first reaction. And there are other incidents that you don't know about. Like Indianapolis LEOs being vilified for returning fire at perps shooting at them from a distance, followed by lawsuits and big payouts from soft on crime city officials. 700-800 LEOs quitting the force in the last few years. Currently 300 short and extreme difficulty in trying to recruit. And if you thing choosing to engage in a "gun fight" instead of fleeing a scene could never get you a murder charge you are not living in the real world.
Please show me where I ever said anything like that
You wouldn't. No way you could "know" that. But, FWIW, as I understand this particular situation, Eli Dicken was shooting from cover behind some shelving/merchandise racks.
The mass shooter he took down from 40 yards (120 feet) away likely never even knew Mr Dicken was there, since he was focused on shooting the unarmed people all around him in the food court.
That's not to say that the mass shooter couldn't have been shooting at the guy who took him out. Just that it seems unlikely in these circumstances.
Either way, Eli Dicken had the presence of mind and marksmanship skills to do the right thing - and the mass shooter was stopped.
From what I have read, some of the local authorities WANTED to press charges against Mr. Dicken for "reckless" discharge of a firearm in a public place (or some such). Yet another example of a case where doing the right thing might not guarantee you won't face charges.
The only thing that made the authorities reconsider that misguided course of action/prosecution was the overwhelming public opinion that Mr. Dicken was a HERO, rather than a criminal.
Chalk one up for the good guys.
FWIW, if this whole incident had not gained national attention, and if public opinion had not been so overwhelmingly in his favor, Mr. Dicken might have found himself in deep do-do.
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Once the decision had been made to call him a hero, THEN all of the local and state officials climbed on the band wagon to get their share of time in the media spotlight to be on the right side of the verdict.
You betcha'.
And if the powers that be had been able to sway public opinion against him, and convince most people that he was a "reckless vigilante" - rather than a HERO - then he would be sitting in jail right now, facing charges - rather than being a free man heralded as a hero.
crstrode
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Because he says he was in the military; hence he is a superior being.
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