Internet Cop Bashing

[venomballistics]

“The tree remembers what the axe forgets.”

Looks like we have some trees here.

I have put three cops in prison, for what its worth. One is still on death row.

You'll never be without some trees. The axe has no purpose without them.
My old home town has a horrible department. I've avoided it since the late 80's just as soon as I could separate myself of any business I had with it. The LEO tradition of fleecing the youth out of viable futures while turning a blind eye to its drug traffic still stands to this day.
About all it's good for is reading its local paper to decipher new euphemisms for drug overdose while watching a new generation get cited into the same resentment my generation holds.

In stark contrast, I'm damned proud of the officers of my community now.

 

[prairieviper]

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.....

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This. I do not get upset over something that a nameless, faceless entity may post on the internet as I would first have to value their opinion.

 

[Rustyt1953]

Ruthie comes from a very long line of badges. All were/are honorable and ethical men save two who were hard hearted bullies who were weeded out.

Oddly enough I have never found myself on the wrong side of law. In all encounters with uniforms I was pleasant, respectful and compliant.

I don't paint cops with a broad brush as that is patently unfair.

There are cop shortages in every whistle stop as fewer young people are drawn to law enforcement because of an ever increasingly hostile public that they have to deal with and are hampered by restrictions placed upon them by "soft on crime" municipal governments, judges and DAs.

Watching the daily news feeds makes me understand why cops don't want to deal with the verbal abuse, harassment and open resistance.

The next time you see a cop give them a quick salute and a smile. They will carry that little gesture with them all shift.

 

[WardenRoss]

Rusty, thank you for posting that.

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[biku324]

I had a great uncle who became fairly wealthy through hard work and good fortune. He was a cop-hater simply because he didn't believe he should have to follow rules; this caused him to angrily resent anyone enforcing rules.

I had been working for the State Police about six years when Officer Sherman Toler was brutally murdered by an ex-con during a traffic stop. My parents wanted to hear what had happened, and that great-uncle was visiting during my explanation. His take was that, "They should have given him (the ex-con) a medal."

You can't reason with some people, and once you identify them, there's no reason to try.

 

[Faulkner]

Rusty makes a very valid observation in that there are fewer qualified candidates to fill the dwindling ranks. Unfortunately, especially in larger markets, those ranks still need to be filled. So, as the character of our society as a whole diminishes, so follows the gene pool we are selecting from to fill these positions.

I'm still seeing some might fine young candidates take the step for LE career. The difference is, we used to get dozens of candidates to weed through for a single opening, most of them meeting the minimum qualifications. Now days, we get a handful, and sometimes none of them meet the minimum qualifications.

 

[johngalt]

Ruthie comes from a very long line of badges. All were/are honorable and ethical men save two who were hard hearted bullies who were weeded out.

Oddly enough I have never found myself on the wrong side of law. In all encounters with uniforms I was pleasant, respectful and compliant.

I don't paint cops with a broad brush as that is patently unfair.

There are cop shortages in every whistle stop as fewer young people are drawn to law enforcement because of an ever increasingly hostile public that they have to deal with and are hampered by restrictions placed upon them by "soft on crime" municipal governments, judges and DAs.

Watching the daily news feeds makes me understand why cops don't want to deal with the verbal abuse, harassment and open resistance.

The next time you see a cop give them a quick salute and a smile. They will carry that little gesture with them all shift.

I haven't lived in a bunch of different areas, but the police of SW Ohio are the best in my experience. I don't know what their screening and training secrets are, but they work. I've never had an encounter that wasn't polite and professional.

 

[Rustyt1953]

I just saw a news article that a Bostonian was sentenced to 16 years in prison. He had 197 prior convictions.

Wrap your head around that.

 

[cmj8591]

I just saw a news article that a Bostonian was sentenced to 16 years in prison. He had 197 prior convictions.

Wrap your head around that.

Another Massachusetts success story. He was sentenced to 16 to 18 years on 8 felonies including assault with intent to rape and 2 counts of strangulation. At the time of his crime, he was living in a half way house because they were in the parole process, getting ready to release him from a habitual offender bid at the State Prison. He will be eligible for parole in about 7 years. He's been held for about 1 1/2 years so he really will be eligible in 5 1/2 years.

 

[RetCapt]

Rusty makes a very valid observation in that there are fewer qualified candidates to fill the dwindling ranks. Unfortunately, especially in larger markets, those ranks still need to be filled. So, as the character of our society as a whole diminishes, so follows the gene pool we are selecting from to fill these positions.

I'm still seeing some might fine young candidates take the step for LE career. The difference is, we used to get dozens of candidates to weed through for a single opening, most of them meeting the minimum qualifications. Now days, we get a handful, and sometimes none of them meet the minimum qualifications.

Excellent point Faulkner. CA POST used to (maybe still does) track hiring rates relative to applicants whose apps did not disqualify them entered the testing portal. Statewide the average was 1 - 2 hires per 100 apps. That is an extremely stringent cull rate. But it was indictive of the effort LE agencies to only hire the highest quality recruits. Our department's experience reflected those numbers.

That conflicts with what appears to be an assumption that LE routinely hires unqualified candidates because they don't have stringent enough standards. With all the tests and steps LE uses to assess candidates, if something additional were to come along to further refine the recruitment pool and further improve the quality of future LEOs, I am sure LE will be most interested.

So I encourage all critics, if they don't care to give LE a try, contact your area LE agencies with your positive suggestions of how to implement recruitment procedures so as to not hire LEOs you find objectionable.

One last note on recruitment. They aren't lined up outside the door wanting to apply.

Everyone knows why, so I would look to the verbally omniscient to tell how to cure that problem.

Plenty of challenge for the critics provided they have the will and brains to contribute solutions that go beyond criticism.

 

[eb07]

As long as there are cops there will be cop bashing. Tune out the noise.

 

[Ματθιας]

As I said earlier. I don't have a problem with police, I'm anti-bad cop.

The ABQ PD has a bad reputation for corruption and just plain being shady. They've had that rep for decades. They had the evidence room scandal, all kinds of use of force incidents, the killing of James Boyd. and the strange death of Mary Han, layer who gave APD all kinds of trouble.

The latest scandal is that 4 or 5 DWI officers, including an LT are on paid admin after getting their houses raided by the Feds. Also included is an attorney. As a result about 200 DWI cases were dropped. Apparently this scene had been going on for decades.

Then, there's this, APD, seized a man's 1970 SS454.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VRBT9WuXqs[/ame]

How many people knew what was going on all along yet they did nothing about it? Have they earned the hate?

 

[Old 44 Guy]

I have two cops in my family. Both are fine people and I am proud of them. My advice is do not believe the media.

 

[RobertJ.]

I'm thankful I live in a small town. We like our police officers.

A couple of years ago one of them stopped by our apartment complex to talk to one of the tenants. My wife saw me chatting with him, and asked how I knew him. I said, "We were lab partners in Mr. Johnson's geology class!"

Another time I got pulled over by one of them for not having my headlights on. I had just pulled out of a gas station and had forgotten. I was in my wife's car, and couldn't find where she kept the registration and insurance card. He looked in the window at me, and asked, "Aren't you Sonia's husband?" I said yes. He said, "Okay, you're good."

I love living in a small town!

 

[Skeet 028]

I am retired in a Fire/Police Retirement system...from a fairly large very blue city. Quarterly we get a report from the retirement system. It is disturbing but understandable to see the amount of police officers retiring...It is always double or more than the number of Fire fighters .Of course there are a few who shouldn't be cops...but you have to respect the badge/position. I remember the city beat cops of years ago. Always big guys(hey I was a kid)...When they said it was time for us to go home...we did...he knew our parents. With the political situation in that city...I don't know how they can continue to bleed officers like they are and still have a police force...We have less and less honest people to want to fill the ranks

 

[venomballistics]

I just saw a news article that a Bostonian was sentenced to 16 years in prison. He had 197 prior convictions.

Wrap your head around that.

Boston has a real winter.
It is a fairly common method of the homeless to commit a crime just severe enough to get put away through the winter.
Add catch and release justice, and one might have to try a few times to win three hots and a cot, escalating along the way.

 

[steelslaver]

A small percentage of cops, lawyers, judges, hunters, gun owners and a large percentage of politicians make the rest look bad.

 

[Brian Parrish]

Group Identity

Group identity is the great fallacy of our age, among others I am sure. Your being a cop does not necessarily connect you in any way with anyone else who holds that job, except that you want to claim the benefits of group identity without also enduring the negatives.

A new man checked in this week and the others introduced me to him saying, "He's a Parrish too!" I shook his hand and said with a smile, "I'll try not to hold that against you." They all laughed, but I was not really joking. If there is any group identity with which I am stuck it has to be those of my own surname, but most of them are awful! The members of my family who love Jesus are great but the rest...!

Kind Regards!
BrianD

 

[Brian Parrish]

My friend

Excellent point Faulkner. CA POST used to (maybe still does) track hiring rates relative to applicants whose apps did not disqualify them entered the testing portal. Statewide the average was 1 - 2 hires per 100 apps. That is an extremely stringent cull rate. But it was indictive of the effort LE agencies to only hire the highest quality recruits. Our department's experience reflected those numbers.

That conflicts with what appears to be an assumption that LE routinely hires unqualified candidates because they don't have stringent enough standards. With all the tests and steps LE uses to assess candidates, if something additional were to come along to further refine the recruitment pool and further improve the quality of future LEOs, I am sure LE will be most interested.

So I encourage all critics, if they don't care to give LE a try, contact your area LE agencies with your positive suggestions of how to implement recruitment procedures so as to not hire LEOs you find objectionable.

One last note on recruitment. They aren't lined up outside the door wanting to apply.

Everyone knows why, so I would look to the verbally omniscient to tell how to cure that problem.

Plenty of challenge for the critics provided they have the will and brains to contribute solutions that go beyond criticism.

We had a school parent who was in charge of hiring for our local PD. He said it was nearly impossible to find anyone who could pass the background check.

My friend years ago told me that there are three "types" of people who become cops:
1. The altruistic servants of mankind. Not many but more than you think.
2. The bullies, the people who love to push other people around. Far too many of these but not as many as people seem to think.
3. The normal typical ordinary citizens who happened to need a job at the precise moment that the police department was hiring. The vast overwhelming majority of them.

At that time, they were including him in their "investigation" of some potential scandal at the courthouse. He got through it fine by counterattacking them as aggressively as he could.
"Once they get their minds stuck on someone, there is no getting them off," he said.
He moved quickly and was successful because he knew better than to just trust them to do the right thing. He had a thirty-year untarnished career. This happened now 25 years ago. Tempus fugit.

The cops are no more and no less despicable than the rest of your neighbors because that is exactly who they are!

Best Regards RetCapt. I always appreciate your contribution!
BrianD

 

[cmj8591]

Boston has a real winter.
It is a fairly common method of the homeless to commit a crime just severe enough to get put away through the winter.
Add catch and release justice, and one might have to try a few times to win three hots and a cot, escalating along the way.

That's not really the case. The trend now is for the homeless to take a tent and a sleeping bag, usually given to them by the city, and set up at an ad hoc encampment. They don't go into the shelter or do the winter vacation to the House of Correction because they can't do drugs and have to conform to house rules there. Google "Mass and Cass" and you'll see how it works. It all goes back to the end of custodial care in the mental health and substance abuse systems. They ended the institutions because they were deemed to be a violation of their civil rights and were considered cruel. Now they sleep on the ground and OD on the sidewalks.