Another reason to be anti-EV

[DWalt]

Something I had never considered about shortcomings of EVs is tires. I always thought that EVs would use regular old ICE tires, but that is not true according to an article I read earlier today. Tires made for ICE CAN be used on EVs, but that is not recommended. Instead, EV-specific tires should be used for several reasons. First is that they need to withstand more rapid acceleration torque. Second, they need to be heavier with better support for carrying increased weight. Batteries are heavy. Third, road noise of conventional tires is too high, and is objectionable in silent EVs. EV tires generate less road noise. Fourth, they require less rolling resistance to get better mileage. That is a big deal for EVs.

To make things even more outrageous, EV tires wear out much more quickly, and they cost around 30% more than corresponding ICE tires. My next vehicle will not be an EV.

 

[Breakaway500]

I don’t need any more reasons not to recommend battery powered cars to my customers…or friends…unless they are shopping for a golf cart.
I’ve seen the coming of the e-let tic car personally since the 70s and they are better but still not ready to “save the planet” or whatever.
That being said you can run conventional tires on EVs they just can’t be low end ****** ones.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Something I had never considered about shortcomings of EVs is tires. I always thought that EVs would use regular old ICE tires, but that is not true according to an article I read earlier today. Tires made for ICE CAN be used on EVs, but that is not recommended. Instead, EV-specific tires should be used for several reasons. First is that they need to withstand more rapid acceleration torque. Second, they need to be heavier with better support for carrying increased weight. Batteries are heavy. Third, road noise of conventional tires is too high, and is objectionable in silent EVs. EV tires generate less road noise. Fourth, they require less rolling resistance to get better mileage. That is a big deal for EVs.

To make things even more outrageous, EV tires wear out much more quickly, and they cost around 30% more than corresponding ICE tires. My next vehicle will not be an EV.

Let's be honest: You weren't on the verge of buying an EV until you read about the specialized tires they require, were you?

Everything requires specialized tires. High-performance cars, pickup trucks, off-road vehicles, etc., etc., all take different tires unique to that class of vehicles...so there's nothing special about EVs in that regard.

I won't buy an EV because they're not enthusiasts' cars...in fact, they're made for people who are just the opposite of enthusiasts. I want a manual transmission, and the sensations and sounds that go with good old-fashioned horsepower, and you can't get that with any EV.

There is another consideration as well: EVs weigh a lot more than conventional vehicles, and that affects everything from crashworthiness to parking garage construction...

NTSB head warns of risks posed by heavy electric vehicles : NPR

As EV sales surge and cars get heavier, parking garages have to change

 

[waffles]

I've had a handful of vehicles that needed tires more specialized than I'd toss on a corolla. If it's not something you'd be upset about on your sports car or truck, it's probably not something you'd be upset at in an EV. I get that we're on a gun forum where we whine about EVs, I don't own an EV, and I still think this is a pretty silly complaint.

 

[Rustyt1953]

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[Bald1]

I don’t need any more reasons not to recommend battery powered cars to my customers…or friends…unless they are shopping for a golf cart.
I’ve seen the coming of the e-let tic car personally since the 70s and they are better but still not ready to “save the planet” or whatever.
That being said you can run conventional tires on EVs they just can’t be low end ****** ones.

Lexus might have gotten a little closer. They are now making a hybrid that you can plug in. Toyota meets Tesla kinda thing.

 

[Tom S.]

Everything requires specialized tires. High-performance cars, pickup trucks, off-road vehicles, etc., etc., all take different tires unique to that class of vehicles...so there's nothing special about EVs in that regard.

A fair and valid point. My son bought tires for his Morris Mini and I think they were around $300 for all 4. My truck tires cost over $800 for the set. I don't have an exact cost but I believe putting tires on a newer vette will run around $2500 and I read that the tires for Bugatti Veyron run $10k - EACH.

 

[STCM(SW)]

Tires

Yea, looked at what it cost to put tires on my Vet...

 

[vt_shooter]

I'll by an EV when their manufacture and distribution is accomplished using only solar and wind power, including mining the metals, smelting the aluminum, etc etc,

 

[DWalt]

Lexus might have gotten a little closer. They are now making a hybrid that you can plug in. Toyota meets Tesla kinda thing.

There are a number of plug-in hybrids (PHEVs) now on the market. The problem is that most of them are high-end and pricey. They usually have limited range while running on the battery alone, generally less than 50 miles. But that would not be a serious disadvantage for anyone who drives primarily close to home. And of course they have and use a gasoline engine for longer distance driving. I was reading something last night about Mazda's new PHEV, but it has only a range of 26 miles on battery power. To me, a PHEV makes more sense than an EV, mainly because most of my driving is close to home. Someone who drives locally could go a long time between fill-ups. The downside is that an owner of a PHEV would probably need to plug in every day to maintain a full battery charge.

 

[Onomea]

I don't get the advantage of the plug-in hybrid over the regular hybrid. Bet it isn't range. Maybe MPG?

I think I read an article somewhere on ICE vs EV vs plug-in hybrid vs hybrid, and the advantages and disadvantages of each, but darned if I recall what it said...

 

[Rustyt1953]

The price of my tires has ballooned.

 

[alwslate]

I can't imagine ever buying an EV for any use except a mobility cart in my old age.

 

[DWalt]

Seems to me that there might be a market for a basic and relatively inexpensive EV with minimal features, having a range of 50 miles or so for elderly and less affluent people to use in getting around town. Sort of an enhanced electric golf cart that would be street legal. I doubt I will ever see one. Would never be approved by the regulatory bodies because of being too unsafe.

 

[raljr1]

My Jaguar XJ6 required special tires because of the weight. I guess it isn't that unusual

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[Beemerguy53]

I can't imagine ever buying an EV for any use except a mobility cart in my old age.

Exactly, but, to be fair...

While EVs are not for me, for the reasons I've stated previously, they do have their uses. For urban stop-and-go driving, delivery vehicles, taxis, busses and the like, they're perfect. I was in London last August, and I was very impressed with the electric vehicles I rode in. Even more important, the drivers who owned them, who live with them every day, had nothing but good things to say about them.

Yeah, they have their limits, and they're not for everyone, but that doesn't mean they're no good at all...

 

[Skeet 028]

I think my sister and her husband have a high end Lincoln EV...it might be a hybrid. She said it doesn't get far on electric...but they live in the megapolis north of San Antonio. I guess they can afford it...but not for me. AC is needed down there in Texas... Heat is needed where I am in Wy. A friend in Md has a sister with a thing called a Leaf. They live 60 miles apart. She came to see him one Sunday.. Started home and made it about 25 miles towards home on a windy day. He had to go get her AAA Got the car to a charging station til the next day. Had to stay with him overnight. He told her next time she comes...bring a real car!

 

[tops]

I don't think they would be anymore unsafe than a bicycle or a moped. Larry

 

[Rudi]

They could make tires that don't wear out, but that would hurt the tire business.

 

[alwslate]

Exactly, but, to be fair...

While EVs are not for me, for the reasons I've stated previously, they do have their uses. For urban stop-and-go driving, delivery vehicles, taxis, busses and the like, they're perfect. I was in London last August, and I was very impressed with the electric vehicles I rode in. Even more important, the drivers who owned them, who live with them every day, had nothing but good things to say about them.

Yeah, they have their limits, and they're not for everyone, but that doesn't mean they're no good at all...

Yeah maybe for short trip commercial vehicles that can be rotated in and out of readily available charging stations. But for personal use that might occasionally involve trips to places where charging is a gamble. Not for me thanks