Winchester 1873 Limited Series Carbine- Updated Pictures

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I've been wanting a lever action in 357/38 Special for a while now and with Christmas money I started shopping. I always thought it would be the Marlin made by Ruger but when I saw the Limited Series by Winchester (Made by Miroku) I fell in love with it. These are limited by Davidsons to 101 rifles. Ended up winning a bid on one that was a few $100 less than others were selling for and got it yesterday. It has some beautiful Grade 4/5 wood on it. I do have a question since this is my first Winchester Lever action. When I was wiping down the barrel I noticed that the magazine tube will move left and right a tiny bit. The barrel band screw and the screw in the bottom of the tube to the barrel is tight. Is this normal? Just want to make sure before I mess with anything. Sorry for the washed out picture. Had to take it on my dinner table and didn't have good lighting. I just received in the mail my Marbles Flip-up sight that I plan to use to replace the buckhorn. The flip-up mounts on the grip area which Winchester has already prepped for.

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Meaning the tube will rock side-to-side at the muzzle? How much deflection? I have a 73 short rifle in .357 and I can look at that tube this evening. The short rifle has a different forearm and front band but I can see if it moves at all.

By the way, these things really shoot well.
 
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Meaning the tube will rock side-to-side at the muzzle? How much deflection? I have a 73 short rifle in .357 and I can look at that tube this evening. The short rifle has a different forearm and front band but I can see if it moves at all.

By the way, these things really shoot well.

Maybe a millimeter. I shined a light behind the barrel band and from the muzzle I can see a small gap on both sides of the bottom side of the barrel but zero gaps around the magazine tube. So it appears the band could be tightened but I used a gunsmith screwdriver and wasn't able to budge the screw any tighter. So I was wondering if the small movement might be common. If not I'll see if I can get the screw tighter but worried I might mare the screw head. I sent this question in to Winchester today so hoping they answer it.
 
Pretty! None of my '92 tubes move.

Saw the dlx ltd 1892 (357) was 2k…hhhmmmm. Still thinking about it.
 
I have a pre-USRAC M94. Several, actually. I can check right now....

I detected no movement, which is what I expected, but it has been a while since I handled one of these. I would have said it wasn't normal right away but memory being a fleeting thing I figured I should check.
 
Maybe a millimeter. I shined a light behind the barrel band and from the muzzle I can see a small gap on both sides of the bottom side of the barrel but zero gaps around the magazine tube. So it appears the band could be tightened but I used a gunsmith screwdriver and wasn't able to budge the screw any tighter. So I was wondering if the small movement might be common. If not I'll see if I can get the screw tighter but worried I might mare the screw head. I sent this question in to Winchester today so hoping they answer it.

I'll check mine tonight.
 
The magazine tube on my 1873 short rifle (on top) is tight. I think this may be due to the forearm end cap and the band dovetailed into the bottom of the barrel.
The magazine tube on my 94 (which has a carbine forearm and bands) does have movement. It appears that the carbine retention system may be inherently looser. I think yours is probably good.
 

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Very pretty gun. It's a really strange configuration. A 20" SRC with a shotgun butt stock and a rear rifle sight.

It sorta follows the really old Winchester ordering that allowed you to get just about any odd array of options. The wood and case coloring on this one are particularly handsome.

I bet it shoots really well. I have 3 of the Japanese 1873s (one short rifle with 20 inch round barrel and 2 with 24 inch octagon barrels) and all of them are very accurate and the sights were right on all of them, right out of the boxes.
 
The magazine tube on my 1873 short rifle (on top) is tight. I think this may be due to the forearm end cap and the band dovetailed into the bottom of the barrel.
The magazine tube on my 94 (which has a carbine forearm and bands) does have movement. It appears that the carbine retention system may be inherently looser. I think yours is probably good.

Thanks for checking. I used a flashlight to shine behind the barrel band and zero light shown through around the barrel band but did show through at the barrel band around the barrel near the tube. I plan on calling the service department tomorrow and see what they say. I can't see how tightening either of these screw would really help. But again, thanks for checking.
 
A note on shooting 1873s with modern ammo. The nose of the cartridge as it sits in the elevator it the only "Stop" for the remainder of the rounds in the magazine. Cartridge overall length (C.O.A.L.) is critical. If too long, the nose will catch and bind the action. If too short, the rim of the next case will catch and bind the Action.

My rifle is an Uberti in 44 Special, and takes factory LRN well, I had to play with reload COAL to get the nose of the at the right length. My gun has a action job and is "Semi Short Stroked", this means I don't need to move my wrist (just 2 or 3 fingers) when cycling the action. This allows for cycle rates that rival very fast Semi-automatic or slow full autos. The Fast shooting is only necessary on targets where you empty the gun into a single plate. But the "Butter Smooth" action is a joy to shoot.

Ivan
 
I've been wanting a lever action in 357/38 Special for a while now and with Christmas money I started shopping. I always thought it would be the Marlin made by Ruger but when I saw the Limited Series by Winchester (Made by Miroku) I fell in love with it. These are limited by Davidsons to 101 rifles. Ended up winning a bid on one that was a few $100 less than others were selling for and got it yesterday. It has some beautiful Grade 4/5 wood on it. I do have a question since this is my first Winchester Lever action. When I was wiping down the barrel I noticed that the magazine tube will move left and right a tiny bit. The barrel band screw and the screw in the bottom of the tube to the barrel is tight. Is this normal? Just want to make sure before I mess with anything. Sorry for the washed out picture. Had to take it on my dinner table and didn't have good lighting. I just received in the mail my Marbles Flip-up sight that I plan to use to replace the buckhorn. The flip-up mounts on the grip area which Winchester has already prepped for.
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Gee whiz jsfricks, the wood grain and case coloring on your new rifle are spectacular! Haven't seen any better than that recently!
Larry
 
The front band has to have some clearance to it's inner dia's to be able to slide over both the end of the bbl and the end of the mag tube during assembly.
Not very much, but enough to that the band can be slipped down intoplace w/o scratching the finish on either the bbl or the tube.

Then the band screw is supposed to pull the center section together from both sides as it is tightened up and 'clamp' the band securely around both the bbl and the tube.
The surfaces inside there may not andoften do not mate perfectly as the bbl surface and the mag tube surface is polished and can be less than a perfect circle unlike the two inner dia of the band which are machine cut and are quite accurate.
But enough of the surfaces engage and hold things tight.

What keeps the band and the mag tube from being able to be pulled forward or swiveled side to side a few degrees even when clamped is the fact that the band screw intersects both the bottom of the bbl and the top of the magazine tube when it is drilled during assembly.

This was a hand opperation in final assembly for Winchester and MArlin. Maybe in this age of precision CNC machining those small cuts are pre done on the parts and expected to line up perfectly.

The Rear Band, the one around the forend wood likewise uses a band screw that intersects both the top of the magazine tube and the bottom surface of the bbl.
When that long screw was installed (originally), the assembler gave the screw shank a very gentle bow to the center of it with a hmmer before inserting and tightening it down.
That bow or arch in the center of the shank rotated as a high spot on the shank when tightened and would press against the mag tube surface inside there to make nice and tight and help hold it securely in position.

Removing any side to side movement of the magtube at the Front Band:
If there is loosenenss in the BAnd Screw,,use that first to take up any slack. But don't over tighten as it's only a #5 machine screw (at least it was orig) and can strip out easily from the band threads.
Taking the band screw out and removing the band from the rifle/carbine, then using a wooden or even steel dowel on either side with leather safe padding to protect the finish, place in a bench vise and GENTLEy close it up to squeeze the band a very small amt . Closing up the diameters inside.
Too much and the band won't fit back on, so it takes some technique but it's a common way to tighten them up on older worn guns..

Quicky way is to place a shim inside the offending band /mag tube assembly and retighten. No harm done and a black nylon shim matl does't show. You don't need much and it doesn't have to completely encircle the mag tube as a rule.

Bubba method is to dribble Super Glue into the joint and let it set up.
Wipe away any glue that seeps out from the band joint w/acetone.
It will do the tightening, but awfully hard to disassemble when the time comes.
A common fix for guns that are loose and sent along to gunshows for sale.
 
Well I called Winchester Parts and Service and the guy answering the phone said they d never had that question before so he put me on hold and went to talked to the gunsmith and the gunsmith said it's a common thing. I'm sure I can do some things to tighten it up but don't want to ruin the screws as they seem to be really tight already. I can probably do something under the forearm but it's something I can live with too. I haven't shot it yet but it cycles 357 and 38 nicely but still need to try it with 357 and 38 mixed.
 
I've got the almost the same rifle in carbine configuration and I don't have any play in the magazine tube. I've used it in a couple of matches so far with zero malfunctions. I haven't tried it with 38Spl rounds, only down loaded 357 Mag rounds. It's a nice handling accurate rifle.

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That's a nice one. Mine is an 18" barrel which might have something to do with it. If I can get the screw loose without damaging it and I do have room to put some type of shim or non-slip tape under the barrel band where there's a gap. The band is really tight already around the tube. I'm not going to loose sleep over it, just enjoy it.
 
I really like the Miroku '73's and have 3 - 2 carbines in 357 and 44/40 and a full length rifle in 44/40. All of them are great shooters and ultra reliable. None of my mag tubes have any movement but I wouldn't worry about it on yours. It might be a bit annoying but I doubt it would effect function at all.
 
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