Do Gunpowder and Alcohol Mix? Opinion Survey

Many years ago when I moved to my previous town of residence I heard about a shotgun match up at a club in the hills. It was one of those matches when one shotgun round was fired at a piece of paper with crossed lines on it, and the person who put a pellet the closest to where the lines cross was the winner. I noticed 2 things that made me nervous 1) there was a lot of exposed rocks in the backstop; and 2) there was open bottles of hard liquor all over the place. That was something like 40 years ago. I beat it out there and never went back for anything.
 
Why is this even a question???:rolleyes:
Washington Gun Law YouTube recently made this an issue. It today applies to the new "Constitutional Carry" Bill proposed here in NC.

I say don't hold your breath.
That law if it is passed will be vetoed by that paragon of Patriotic virtue who...uh.. I mean by our fine governor. They are not able to override him either.

There are many, many, many Baptist Evangelicals especially, who are happy with you losing your rights if you are caught with a gun and one beer on your breath.

Kind and Good to You!
BrianD
 
As a kid I was around cops a lot, followed by almost 30 years on the job myself, so I've been around lot's of armed drunks with badges. Fortunately nothing bad has ever happened when I was present.

My favorite guns and booze story comes from my neighbors 4th of July party. My neighbor, a Trooper, had a big party every year that was attended by many other Troopers. Most years the party ended with very drunk Troopers "safely disposing" of confiscated illegal fireworks. Despite their best efforts no one ever lost a hand or eye. One year however no one had confiscated anything good, so my neighbor brought out his Colt Combat Commander and an ammo can of .45 ball that a friend of his liberated from the USMC. Several very drunk Troopers, my Dad, and a sober 16 year old me, spent a couple of hours shooting mag after mag blindly into the pasture behind our houses. It seemed like a bad idea to me, but I figured "these guys are professionals so it must be ok".It was fun, and everyone somehow missed our 400 gallon propane tank that we later realized was in the line of fire. Fortunately there were no cows in the pasture. The only harm was to my neighbors aluminum siding, which had several hundred dents in it from the ejected brass hitting it. Would I do that today? No way, I've learned to leave before parties get to the point I might have to testify about them.

I personally don't have to choose between guns and booze, I've never been a drinker. As a kid I saw too many people drink themselves to death, so I decided very early to avoid booze. Watching colleagues drink themselves to death just reinforced that choice. I don't object to other people drinking, it just has no appeal to me. Drinking and handling firearms however is always a bad idea.
 
I don't drink and haven't for some time, but back when I did I did not mix alcohol and shooting. Ever. No exceptions. Years ago I visited a trap club where shooters were allowed to drink before and even while they were shooting. Scared the hell out of me! Guns were pointed everywhere. I left and didn't come back until several years later when the club changed the rules. I was told some of the "old timers" quit when they were told they could no longer drink and shoot. No great loss as far as I was concerned.
 
The Department of Alcohol, Tabaco and Firearms always struck me as a very odd combo. Kind of like the Sesame Street "one of these things is not like the others" bit. And the ATF is in no way some sort of suggestion that these things all pair well together.

I guess the Government thinks gun owners take their wives (or girlfriends) out for a nice dinner and pull the old "the lady will have the salmon with white wine, a Glock and a pack of Marlboros." That one is always a classy move. :D
 
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I was on prescribed oxycodone for my shoulder injury and surgery, and for those 4 days each time, no guns. Even after, since it was my shooting side, all I could carry was a G42 on the off side.

I rarely drink any more, and more than one good margarita means I should not drive. I would assume the same as to firearms.
 
I don't drink. Wasn't brought up with it and just never acquired a taste for booze.
My best friend Ed, however was a drinker to the point it became a problem that eventually took his life at 47 years old.
We were doing a morning of target shooting, starting off with .357's and .45's and finishing up with .22's. I wasn't aware that Ed's breakfast that morning was in liquid form although I don't know how much he had.
Ed was shooting a High Standard .22 auto. He started walking to the target stand carrying the .22, stumbled and the gun went off. He hadn't put the safety on.
The bullet entered the upper calf of his leg, followed the bone down and bounced out the top of his foot.
Luckily X-rays showed he hadn't broken anything.
I had hoped it was a learning point for him but later I found a box of casings of various calibers on his reloading bench with primers in sideways, backwards etc. so I guess it didn't sink in.
I guess you know where I stand on alcohol and gun powder.
 
It's hard for me to believe the question was asked in the first place. One slip up and that is all the ammunition the opposition needs to us more grief.

The question was asked to initiate a discussion and an exchange of opinions on the subject, which it apparently has done. I believe we all concur that drunken behavior is an awful mix with firearms. However, it's also apparent, based on personal observation as well as some comments here, that individuals have varying opinions on what is acceptable and what is not. An example of this would be the person who carries concealed when out for dinner and drinks, but refrains from actually handling the gun unless absolutely necessary. Another, which I haven't seen addressed here, is handling guns which are "known" to be unloaded while drinking; would you show a guest in your home some of your collection over cocktails, for instance?

As I stated initially, I'm not looking to start any arguments here.
 
I have my own land and a well appointed range that I welcome friends, and their friends, to shoot, camp, and hunt with me there. I don't allow alcohol consumption while shooting. After everyone is done shooting and we have started the bbq, then sure, they bring out the alcohol.

I don't want an accident on my range. There is the liability issue for the landowner. We are twenty miles from the nearest hospital. Those are the primary, practical reasons. I won't go into the character reasons.
 
Are you kidding ... Booze and anything ... (except maybe sitting in a recliner and watching the Ball Game) doesn't go well together ! .
Don't drink and Talk ... Don't drink and Wal;k !

I have two children that were booze induced ... older married people should never drink and Kiss !

Gunpowder ... Just Say No !
Gary
 
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Complete separation between firearms and alcohol consumption is a very good general rule. Like any general rule there will be occasional exceptions.]

While in Vietnam I spent a fair amount of time in the bush on combat operations or at outlying operating bases subject to frequent attacks. We also received supplies from time to time which might include fresh food and cooked meals, ice cream, or enough beer for everyone to have a couple of cans. We appreciated those items, but we continued carrying fully-loaded weapons (including full-auto, grenade launchers, mines, explosives, etc). In the interests of maintaining morale and commitment to task I think this was an appropriate course, and a necessary exception to the general rules.

Most of my law enforcement career was with agencies having policies dictating always being armed and always on duty (although temporarily relieved from active performance of duty). Not unusual while off-duty to attend social functions including alcoholic beverages, and most of us enjoyed without excess. At least arguably, another exception to the general rules.

Much of the time I was required to be on-call 24 hours per day and respond as needed. I saw no need to completely deprive myself of a private life and normal activities, only to remain sufficiently capable of safely performing necessary duties. Again, at least arguably a reasonable exception to the general rules.

Now I'm retired. I very rarely go to public bars, but may have a beer or wine with a meal, and if I choose to stop by one of my private clubs while out and about for the day I do so. I consider leaving a firearm in an unattended vehicle to be avoided if at all possible, probably far more likely to result in danger or harm than simply maintaining maximum control myself. Some might argue that this is avoidable, thus not a valid exception to the general rules, and they are entitled to their opinions.

Like it or not, alcoholic beverages are a part of life and have been for about 10,000 years of human history. The necessity for self-defense in modern society is (in my opinion) beyond doubt. The responsible person must balance realities and common sense, and stand ready to accept the consequences of every decision.

Zero tolerance standards and policies are little more than an excuse to avoid decision making, reality, common sense, and personal responsibility.

OK, fire away!
 
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