38 S&W Revolver ID

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I have gathered the following info and would like to identify the year and location my grandfather's gun was manufactured.

Type: Hand Ejector
Serial Number: 102069
CTG: 38 S&W Special
Barrel Length: 5 inch
Sight: Hand Ejector Fixed
Strain Screw is present
5 screw

Thank you very much for your help!!
 

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Thank you Dwalt!! My grampa bought it used so I had no idea the date or place of manufacture. I'll pass this down and will never sell. Where were these guns built in the early 1900s? I'll do some research as well but really appreciate the reply and information........ kind regards to you......
 
Hey Jack,
thank you for the reply. what is a good source or link to research the history of this firearm? I am new to this and am very interested in the history.

God Bless!!
 
Start here. Post more information about it and pictures showing both sides (as you have already done) and any other view that displays details. Lots of guys here have knowledge of the various models from the 1800s up to the present.

There is also the S&W Historical Foundation that issues letters of authenticity. Links to it are available here on this forum.
 
yes sir..... very well worn..... and it is nickel..... I don't think I want to "restore" it or change anything.... it is just a keepsake and, btw, shoots very well and accurately!! ;<)
 
Three books dealing with S&W firearms are in my library and I find them very useful.
1) Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, 5th Edition, by Supica and Nahas.
2) History of Smith & Wesson, by Roy Jinks
3) Smith & Wesson 1857 to 1945, by Robert Neal and Roy Jinks

If you are interested in knowing the date the gun was shipped from S&W and to whom it was shipped (most likely a distributor), you can request a letter of authenticity from the Smith & Wesson Historical Foundation. It will cost you $100 for the letter. Here's a link to the form: Letters – Smith & Wesson Historical Foundation

You could also spend a lot of time performing searches here on this forum.
 
Wow..... GREAT info.... thank you so much!! I'll look into this.... I would definitely be willing to pay that money to see where this gun started..... of course there will be no way of telling how many hands it passed thru before my grampa got it..... I kick myself for not getting more info from him before he passed.
 
Your revolver almost certainly shipped from the factory in 1907 or 1908. In any of the books mentioned above, you have a 38 Military & Police Model 1905, 1st Change made in serial number range 73250 to around 120,000. By the original company literature it was called a 38 Military Model 1902.

Just to be clear, none of those books will list your revolver as a Model 1902. It seems that the author and the original factory documentation differ in their description. According to Roy and Bob, anything made on or after 1905 is a Model 1905. The company literature of the time shows that the round-butt stocks were called Model 1902 all the way up and until the company dropped the year of the model.

Here is a brief history of the model names given by the factory for this K frame revolver right up to WWII.

• 1899 to 1902 the K frame was named “Military Model 1899”
• 1902 to 1905 the K frame was named “Military Model 1902”
• 1899 to 1904 all K frames were round butt
• 1905 to ~1911 round butts were named Military Model 1902 by the factory
• 1905 to ~1911 square butts were named Military Model 1905
• ~1911 was first use of “Military & Police” and the terms Model 1905 Square Butt and Model 1902 Round Butt
• Starting ~1916 the year was dropped and the two models became the Military & Police “Round Butt” and “Square Butt”
• Late 1930s the company named these K frames as Military & Police, Round Butt and the Military & Police, Model K

Here is the catalog page from the S&W 1907 catalog.

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The “U.S. Service Cartridge” refers to the.38 Long Colt cartridge, the shorter and less powerful predecessor to the .38 S&W Special. It was indeed the official U.S. military handgun caliber used from about 1890 until around WWI (at least to a limited extent). That cartridge is more or less obsolete today, but it will fit and fire in any .38 Special revolver. The barrel stamping is often referred to as a 2-caliber stamping. It is seen on S&W Model 1902 and 1905 revolvers having Serial Numbers up to a little over 100000. The only significant difference between the two is the shape of the grip. The Model of 1902 and Model of 1905 nomenclature was discontinued by S&W in about 1914. Thereafter they became cataloged by S&W as the “Military and Police Model,” either round butt or square butt. In addition to .38 Special, those revolvers were also available chambered in the .32-20 caliber until about 1930.

Even though these revolvers had “Military” in their name, only an insignificant few were officially purchased by the U.S. and British Commonwealth Armed Forces until WWII, when around one million were.
 
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The depth of all y'alls knowledge is awesome to me...... thank you!! I love to learn and really appreciate your replies...... and the fact that you don't make fun of me for my ignorance!! ;<)
 
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