S&W Performance Center 10mm & Hardcast Ammo

Good advice. Reliability is the #1 priority.
FMJ are out of fashion and I suspect SWC loads, especially if labeled hard cast, may have been granted a charitable reputation in some circles.
That said, my woods loads tend toward SWC, flat nose soft point or XTP projectiles.

I've honestly just reached a point in my life in which I've gotten fed up with paying a premium for ammo which is 100% marketing.

I've gotten burned just a little too hard buying the latest and greatest whiz-bang, high-tech, LEO-only, JHP ammo only to find out that it doesn't expand reliably when shot into milk jugs or clear ballistics gel, that I sure as heck aren't enthusiastic about paying a premium for a hardcast lead projectile when I already know from experience that a flat-nosed .40cal+ FMJ won't deform unless it hits something extremely hard like concrete.
 
I'm the one who did this.
I too thought it was just a case of the bullet corner hitting the mag catch, but it isn't.

I only partially loaded the magazine so that all the rounds were above the magazine catch so they couldn't hit the magazine catch..
And it still jammed.
YET all other ammo I fire through this pistol worked fine, even before I did any tweaking on it.

I did find that these Double Tap 200 grain hard cast rounds are a little less than the minimum OAL for the 10mm Auto.


Interesting.
 
Just use 200gr FMJs if Hardcast won't run reliably.

A 200gr bullet is what the 10mm Auto cartridge was designed around, if you feel that you need more than a 200gr .40cal projectile traveling at 1200fps to drop a bear, then I suggest you move on up a notch to .45 Super/.450 SMC if not .460 Rowland.
If I need more than a 200 grain hardcast 10mm I am not screwing around with .45 Super etc; just going straight to the 44 magnum.
 
Received my 24# recoil spring & guide rod from Galloway Precision today. Will install on the 2.0 and test that practice ammo today or tomorrow.

A replacement for the stock S&W spring rated @ 17#
 
Received my 24# recoil spring & guide rod from Galloway Precision today. Will install on the 2.0 and test that practice ammo today or tomorrow.

A replacement for the stock S&W spring rated @ 17#
I put in a stronger magazine springs, and tried a 20#, 22# recoil springs and it still did it.
I now have a 24# spring in it I haven't tried yet.
 
I put in a stronger magazine springs, and tried a 20#, 22# recoil springs and it still did it.
I now have a 24# spring in it I haven't tried yet.

It's no guarantee mine will run that WFN-GC that I want it to run. If it just refuses to be reliable with that profile I'll punt to a narrower nose shape or even a truncated cone.

I really wonder if a similar weight & shaped FMJ round wouldn't penetrate the same distance as hardened lead?

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We have heard the lore that a round nose profile bullet is more likely to veer off in the target's body than a flat nose. Whispers about the flat point penetrating farther too.
I'd like to see some definitive scientific terminal ballistics to answer this.

I admit to drinking the FMJ round nose is inferior Kool-Aid. Now I'm not so sure.
 
LI've honestly just reached a point in my life in which I've gotten fed up with paying a premium for ammo which is 100% marketing.

I've gotten burned just a little too hard buying the latest and greatest whiz-bang, high-tech, LEO-only, JHP ammo only to find out that it doesn't expand reliably when shot into milk jugs or clear ballistics gel, that I sure as heck aren't enthusiastic about paying a premium for a hardcast lead projectile when I already know from experience that a flat-nosed .40cal+ FMJ won't deform unless it hits something extremely hard like concrete.
I too roll my own for the same reason since the latw 90's. 👍
10mm and 38super for serious stopping power.
 
We have heard the lore that a round nose profile bullet is more likely to veer off in the target's body than a flat nose. Whispers about the flat point penetrating farther too.
I'd like to see some definitive scientific terminal ballistics to answer this.

I admit to drinking the FMJ round nose is inferior Kool-Aid. Now I'm not so sure.
The 45 ACP was developed to replace the 45 Colt. It was to be used to drop enemy calvary's horses. The FMJ was tested on steer's and horses. The 45 FMJ tends to just punch a hole.
 
Groo here
You all are just spoiled!!!!!!
I grew up when to get a 1911 to run holllow points took a good gunsmith and money..
What YOU want is unimportant, what the GUN wants is primary..
The difference between a WFN and an FMJ in the real world is miminum.
The reason for the Cast bullet is you get 75/100 fps more for the same pressure.
If your gun runs fmj 180/200 ok and the WFN has problems, Dump the WFN and go with a cast similar to the FMJ design[ there are heavy ones]
 
If I need more than a 200 grain hardcast 10mm I am not screwing around with .45 Super etc; just going straight to the 44 magnum.

Whenever somebody chooses a 10mm Pistol over a Revolver, I presume it's because they specifically want a semiautomatic pistol, hence my recommendation of another semiautomatic pistol cartridge.

I too roll my own for the same reason since the latw 90's. 👍
10mm and 38super for serious stopping power.

For the longest time, I bought into all the hype I read in magazines or online about the latest and greatest cartridges available, complete with all the claims of "improvements in technology" that made JHPs of weaker cartridges equal or better to those with greater mass/energy on-target, right up until I actually saw it tested/used and it just wasn't there.

Frankly, it's downright pathetic just how weak and ineffective modern factory loaded ammo is. When chronographed/gel tested, only the hottest, most expensive of boutique loads ever seem to meet the velocity printed on the box and expand reliably in gel, and there's really no sense in paying that premium if you have the ability to load your own to equal or hotter specs at a substantially lower cost.

What really did it for me was buying 500 rounds of 165gr Ranger T a few years back, getting all excited thinking that I had gotten the best of the best defensive ammo at a bargain, only to discover that it didn't expand reliably out of anything less than a full-size Beretta 96 with a 5" barrel. Granted, that's .40 S&W, but you know that most factory loaded 10mm Auto isn't much hotter than that. (Unless you consider a 25fps-50fps increase substantial, which I don't.)

Personally, I've really gotten into .357 SIG and .45 Super over the past few years.
 
Whenever somebody chooses a 10mm Pistol over a Revolver, I presume it's because they specifically want a semiautomatic pistol, hence my recommendation of another semiautomatic pistol cartridge.



For the longest time, I bought into all the hype I read in magazines or online about the latest and greatest cartridges available, complete with all the claims of "improvements in technology" that made JHPs of weaker cartridges equal or better to those with greater mass/energy on-target, right up until I actually saw it tested/used and it just wasn't there.

Frankly, it's downright pathetic just how weak and ineffective modern factory loaded ammo is. When chronographed/gel tested, only the hottest, most expensive of boutique loads ever seem to meet the velocity printed on the box and expand reliably in gel, and there's really no sense in paying that premium if you have the ability to load your own to equal or hotter specs at a substantially lower cost.

What really did it for me was buying 500 rounds of 165gr Ranger T a few years back, getting all excited thinking that I had gotten the best of the best defensive ammo at a bargain, only to discover that it didn't expand reliably out of anything less than a full-size Beretta 96 with a 5" barrel. Granted, that's .40 S&W, but you know that most factory loaded 10mm Auto isn't much hotter than that. (Unless you consider a 25fps-50fps increase substantial, which I don't.)

Personally, I've really gotten into .357 SIG and .45 Super over the past few years.
Except there are no factory pistol offerings in 45 Super, 450 SMC or 460 Rowland. They all have teething pains and are a PITA to get to run right. I was going to build a 45 Super, but there is no reloading data available publicly due to greed and copyright.

Pistols just cannot compete with revolvers for raw power and reliability and anything you would need one of those big boomers for has teeth and claws.

I like the 40, but mostly with the old BP contract load of a 155 grain JHP @ 1200 fps. The original was 1250 fps and was very hard on guns.
 
Look at the Hornady HAPs. They're essentially the XTP w/o the serrations. May be an alternative to hard cast. Neither are meant to expand. The HAP isn't an FMJ but meant to feed reliably and you can push it hard w/o worrying about leading. If a load is accurate w/ the HAP, very good chance it will be accurate wi
 
How is the accuracy in your PC 10mm? Mine is doing three inch groups at 15 yards rested with factory. My SA XDM with the same ammo is one inch groups.
 
Went shooting today. Tested out 15 round S&W magazine #1. Ran perfect with the practice bear loads

MTW 200 WFN-GC black coated
New Starline brass
Accurate #9 @ 12.0 grains
WLP (slight taper crimp)
Bullet seated under max COAL

No failure to feed, no magazine drop, and shot to.point of aim @ 20 yards . Now I need to test the second magazine.

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How is the accuracy in your PC 10mm? Mine is doing three inch groups at 15 yards rested with factory. My SA XDM with the same ammo is one inch groups.
I haven't really shot it for accuracy yet, but it definitely groups tighter than my old Glock 20 with same ammo
 
How is the accuracy in your PC 10mm? Mine is doing three inch groups at 15 yards rested with factory. My SA XDM with the same ammo is one inch groups.

180gr over longshot
5 shots 1" @ 25yards.
 
That's some good shooting right there
Thanks. Obviously off sandbags and w a holosun mounted on a CH Precision optic plate. The factory optic plate was inconsistent at best.

1" was 180 gr nosler JHPs but the hornady HAP and XTPs were not far off using the same load of Longshot. Chronograph average: 1220 fps.
 
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