Will you collect collet the Guns from the public?

[Sunfang]

I got into an interesting discussion with the Sargent the other day. I told him that if ordered to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens "I will not and would rather surrender my commission first" The rest of the officers that I talked with said the same thing!
All the military members I know said they wouldn't do it either.
So....... If the police won't and the military wont Who is going to come for our guns?

 

[walnutred]

You should get a copy of the book, Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland. You might be surprised what people will do under pear pressure.

Besides, remember Obamas National Civilian Defense Force, the one that is supposed to be equipped similar to the military?

 

[GatorFarmer]

I'd do it.

As I'm fond of observing, if you're going to be in the camp, the view is better from the guard tower.

 

[PALADIN85020]

"So....... If the police won't and the military wont Who is going to come for our guns?"

I've thought about that too. Ever wonder why Obama wants to raise his own private domestic army? With fealty only to him?

 

[mississippi revolverman]

The New Orleans PD might volunteer. They have a lot of practice taking innocent citizens weapons

 

[USAF385]

Hypotheticals are fun, but when you're faced with the actual order, things are different.

 

[red14]

Hypotheticals are fun, but when you're faced with the actual order, things are different.

So true, so true. It's easy to sit here and say what you will do.

NO ONE knows what they will do, unless they have been put in a specific situation.

USAF385, you are a wise man, beyond your years. Thank you for your service!

I have read many of your posts. While I admit, I don't always agree with you, I believe you speak with honor and honesty. You would be a valuable friend and faithful ally.

 

[imjin138]

I think he has that already planned, that is why he wants to raise his own self defense corps. That has been done in the past in 1930s Germany, Cambodia, Uganda and other places as well.

Why do you think he wants to educate the children, he wants tham at age 13 to 18 to mold thier minds and give over to the state.

Also service members will do as they are told, just as they have before. A few will resist but most will follow any legal orders as they have been trained, they will see what happens to those that do not.

The police in Gremany enforced those laws as they were written, if it is a law it must be enforced and obeyed.

 

[red14]

I agree 'his self defense corps' will comply, and I think the police will, but I don't think the armed forces will.

 

[USAF385]

Well thank you very much for the kind words, red14... This thing needs a blushing face!

 

[Damn Yankee]

I asked a Navy Chief who lives next door the same question and he said that the troops will do as they are ordered. If told to pick up guns that is what they will do.

 

[44forever]

At some point in the past, didn't somebody in government suggest/plan to bring in cops from (Singapore??) to handle the task? My memory isn't as detailed as it once was.

 

[PALADIN85020]

How can any service member who has sworn in good faith "to bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic" execute an order which is on the face of it contrary to the 2nd Amendment? I took that oath in September, 1961 when I became an officer in the Army, and I have never forgotten it. Unlike some current politicians.

 

[M&P777]

I was thinking of this type of question today. Who knows what the future holds, but sadly I believe that most troops today would obey the order to confiscate civilian weapons. "Our's is not to question why" is the mentality. The real question is, WHAT WILL THE CIVILIANS DO?

Hey, Paladin85020: Nice avatar! "Paladin, Paladin, where do you roam. Paladin, Paladin, far, far from home." A fine show.

 

[Steelwimp]

I think we have to ask our Cuban American friends how Castro did it. One thing was the CDR with "block wardens" or some name like that. I think they will recruit schoolchildren to report guns in homes and neighborhood as a "safety issue".
However, the mindset of the American is so ornery on these issues that even Obama and Co. with their honeyed teleprompter-driven words, will have a very hard time ("cold dead hands" and all that)
At any rate, the gun grabbers are, I believe, biding their time for some horrible event to happen and then foment the anti gun hysteria as a way to get guns registered (as a "common sense" first step to stemming the violence).
This thread is worth continuing; I am interested in hearing what posters think on this.

 

[straightshooter1]

What those who are hoping the troops and police will consider an unlawful order and disobey are missing the real point.

No one will just get up one morning and issue an order to the military and/or the police to go pick up all civilian weapons.

Incrementally, things will happen to chip away at the right to bear arms (assault weapons ban, one gun per month, registration, etc.) and then, Congress will pass a law, and the Courts will uphold it saying, in effect, turn in the guns.

Then, when the order to go out and confiscate comes, it WON'T be an illegal or unlawful order, rather it will be very lawful, upheld by the Courts and those that don't comply will be the lawbreakers.

Soldiers and Police Officers who refuse (if any) will be subject to sanctions themselves for violating a lawful order.

This is why it is so important to elect those who won't agree to any laws that restrict our rights and to fight any encroachment by those who would.

Bob

 

[Hogboy45]

I fear that Bob is correct.

 

[MrJT]

Originally posted by PALADIN85020:
How can any service member who has sworn in good faith "to bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic" execute an order which is on the face of it contrary to the 2nd Amendment? I took that oath in September, 1961 when I became an officer in the Army, and I have never forgotten it. Unlike some current politicians.

You say you took the oath in '61 and haven't forgotten it, but you left out..

"and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

If it's eventually made law like straightshooter1, than it WOULD be a lawful order, and the order would have to be followed.

 

[7.62foryou]

Originally posted by Hogboy45:
I fear that Bob is correct.

+1 to that. Most of histories worst horrors were done under color of law. Hitler,Stalin,Mao,etc...were all "lawfully elected /appointed" some of their methods getting there were unlawful no doubt but the end result was a lawful transtion of power with the approval of most of the population. Americans went to the polls twice and elected a dictatorship. There is scant opposition to it. Sooner or later a dictatorship will do what dictatorship does, we see signs already with the car companies. Its taken these leftist 40 years to get here they can wait a little longer. Capitalists are in the process of being hung with the rope they made.

 

[Gutpile Charlie]

I wouldn't "trust" military or law enforcement.

Everyone will be faced with "what must I do?" That will mean didfferent things to different people

We won't really know who the enemy really is until it "starts happening".

I lived most of my life. I've pretty much "been there and done that" for just about everything. There is really not much left I want to do, however, the outlook is not good for my children and grandchildren.

I can "remember a better day". I had a lot of breaks...and "doing the right thing" worked out pretty well for me. I can already see that my kids are not going to have it as good as I did.

Why oh why do these bastards want to take all this away?

I can remember the time when the words to "American the Beautiful" or the "National Anthem" would almost bring tears to my eyes.

I can remember when..."land of the free and home of the brave"...really meant something. Somehow I don't think it does today.

Don't we have anybody willing to take this country back?