Battle of Little Big Horn anniv. today

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Not sure but this is probably not one of the great moments in military intelligence.

Quote: "There are not enough Indians in the world to defeat the Seventh Cavalry." — George Armstrong Custer
 
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I just re-read my favorite fictional account of the battle last week. "Bugles in the Afternoon" by Ernest Haycox. I try to read it around this time of year every three or four years. My old dog-eared Signet paperbacks copy is just about on its last legs.
 
Visited the site last September. Glad I made it there. It's much bigger and spread out than I imagined it to be.
 
Visited the battlefield three years ago, in July. Did not think I'd wind up going 1200 miles north and finding a place where it was 100 degrees! It is a very impressive place. I'd not realized how large the battlefield was, either, or how rough some of the terrain is.
 
Custer?

Today is my grandfathers Birthday. He was born in. Penn. June 25,1975. So he was exactly one year old when Custer bit the dust. Grandpa died in 1970. I still miss him.He outlived my father by a year & a half. My dad died in 1968 but we never told grandpa.
 
Not so much a failure of military intelligence so much as misunderestimating the enemy, splitting one's forces in the face of the enemy, poor use of forces, poor choice of a defensive position. Custer was outnumbered what? 5-1. Fighting out in the open against superb horsemen. Nathan Bedford Forrest or Jeb Stuart or Phil Sheridan or James Wilson couldn't have prevailed under those circumstances.
 
On that same note, I knew a military chaplain who told me he asked an Air Force accident crash investigtor what the last recorded words were of pilots who were about to go down. He thought it might be something of a spiritiual nature that he could refernce in his sermons. Unfortunately the most common words were " Oh s#%* ".
 
Arrogance got Custer, and his men, killed. He did not respect his enemy, was thinking of himself and glory, not his men.
 
Arrogance got Custer, and his men, killed. He did not respect his enemy, was thinking of himself and glory, not his men.

Agreed.

He was also out-gunned. His men had the POS "Trapdoor" Springfield; a single-shot cobbled from obsolete 1861/3 Springfield muzzle-loaders. In addition to being issued a single-shot against repeating rifles, his men had problematic ammunition that would often not eject.
 
I visited the battle site years ago on my way to Oregon, it was bigger than I had imagined. I could understand then why it was a massacre, I could see from hill to hill but all the gullies and low lying land must have made for good cover and concealment for the Native Americans.


I am sure that Custer had confidence in his soldiers and his own talents, but I am also sure he under estimated the skill and number of warriors he was going to meet. There 24 MOH's awarded for the battle so we had brave soldiers there doing their duty.
 
""I am sure that Custer had confidence in his soldiers and his own talents, but I am also sure he under estimated the skill and number of warriors he was going to meet. There 24 MOH's awarded for the battle so we had brave soldiers there doing their duty.""



I agree. There were brave soldiers on BOTH sides that day.
 
Many, many years ago, when I was stationed at Wm. Beaumont Army Medical Center, El Paso, TX, I read a biography by a man who was the son of a Army doctor who served on a lot of the reservations in the Southwest. When he was younger, he befriended many Indian youths and eventually, learned many stories from their elders around the campfire. According to him, some of the elders who had been at the Battle of the Little Big Horn told him that it was not the Indian way to completely wipe out their enemy, but instead, to kill off the enemy to about half their size so they could could not only go forward and tell others of the prowess of their enemy, but also, they could serve as worthy opponents for future fights. Also, according to the elders, they were afraid of incurring the wrath of the Great Spirit by wiping out an entire enemy force. The writer said that the elders were shocked when many of Custer's soldiers suddenly started shooting themselves as the battle progressed. It is known that many troopers had suicide pacts with their fellow troopers to avoid capture by the Indians, and if I recall correctly, many of the bodies of the troopers showed evidence of close range gunshot wounds to the head. I don't know if the story is try or not, but I always thought it was an interesting alternative view. Also, I found it interesting that the Indians didn't disfigure Custer's body, the women pierced his eardrums with a needle so he would be able to hear clearly in the afterlife since he wouldn't listen while he was on earth.

Regards,

Dave
 

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